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Regardless. If the comments stayed closer to on-topic in this thread, I'd think the thread would be better than average. The in addition to comments don't bother me none...
There is strange relationship between Religion and Knowledge. Often there is an attempt to forbid it. Adam and Eve were banned from paradise for eating from the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Expressing doubt can have you declared a heretic and thrown out. Scriptures warn about teaching to the doubtful, to be silent when approached with doubt and argument. Faith is demanded. The scriptures were kept off the hands of the lower caste. The Vedas were recited orally and passed down from teachers to students. Even the Upanishads requires qualifications for those who approach its teachings.
Do you think doubters deserve to be heard, tolerated, taught? Why?
Do you think only those why approach asking for knowledge be taught?
There was a time when the masses were utterly ignorant, and only the elite had access to knowledge. These times were known as the "dark ages," because the light of knowledge was so nearly extinguished. That which passed for knowledge, because it was so restricted to the few, was often in error. Make believe widely passed for knowledge. Then came the printing press and the rising availability of books. And knowledge began to become more widely disseminated. Then came public schools and universities. And knowledge became even more widely disseminated. Then came the internet and smart phones, and a great divide suddenly became apparent between the knowledgeable and the willfully ignorant. States painted themselves in colors of blue and red. Or in some cases, purple.
We will have to wait and see how that plays out. Historically the wide dissemination of knowledge has brought with it a steady advancement in the quality of knowledge, reflected in the advancement of modern technology. But a return to the ignorant dark ages is not out of the question.
Last edited by Tired of the Nonsense; 09-19-2020 at 02:41 PM..
There was a time when the masses were utterly ignorant, and only the elite had access to knowledge. These times were known as the "dark ages," because the light of knowledge was so nearly extinguished. That which passed for knowledge, because it was so restricted to the few, was often in error. Make believe widely passed for knowledge. Then came the printing press and the rising availability of books. And knowledge began to become more widely disseminated. Then came public schools and universities. And knowledge became even more widely disseminated. Then came the internet and smart phones, and a great divide suddenly became apparent between the knowledgeable and the willfully ignorant. States painted themselves in colors of blue and red. Or in some cases, purple.
We will have to wait and see how that plays out. Historically the wide dissemination of knowledge has brought with it a steady advancement in the quality of knowledge, reflected in the advancement of modern technology. But a return to the ignorant dark ages is not out of the question.
Books? when was the last time you saw a young person read book, unless it's required reading? Information is now acquired through "digital media" and "social media".
There was a time when the masses were utterly ignorant, and only the elite had access to knowledge. These times were known as the "dark ages," because the light of knowledge was so nearly extinguished. That which passed for knowledge, because it was so restricted to the few, was often in error. Make believe widely passed for knowledge. Then came the printing press and the rising availability of books. And knowledge began to become more widely disseminated. Then came public schools and universities. And knowledge became even more widely disseminated. Then came the internet and smart phones, and a great divide suddenly became apparent between the knowledgeable and the willfully ignorant. States painted themselves in colors of blue and red. Or in some cases, purple.
We will have to wait and see how that plays out. Historically the wide dissemination of knowledge has brought with it a steady advancement in the quality of knowledge, reflected in the advancement of modern technology. But a return to the ignorant dark ages is not out of the question.
Too soon to rep, but spot on.
One would HOPE we are far enough along in this progression to avoid a return to the dark ages. But I am not so sure, when I see first hand evidence of thinking that ignores knowledge in favor of superstition and prejudice. For example (without sliding into politics), when I see people explaining that they aren't wearing masks because "this whole pandemic thing is a hoax"... I am at a loss to reconcile (or imagine how they can reconcile) that with nearly 1 million dead and millions more sick. All of a sudden the dark ages don't seem so far away?
Bringing this back around to religion, a fair amount of what continues to pass for "knowledge" in that realm came out of the dark ages (or earlier). That alone should tell us something.
One would HOPE we are far enough along in this progression to avoid a return to the dark ages. But I am not so sure, when I see first hand evidence of thinking that ignores knowledge in favor of superstition and prejudice. For example (without sliding into politics), when I see people explaining that they aren't wearing masks because "this whole pandemic thing is a hoax"... I am at a loss to reconcile (or imagine how they can reconcile) that with nearly 1 million dead and millions more sick. All of a sudden the dark ages don't seem so far away?
Bringing this back around to religion, a fair amount of what continues to pass for "knowledge" in that realm came out of the dark ages (or earlier). That alone should tell us something.
Yet, and yet. I see a lot of science, if we have to hold it as the authority and I don't, is 'discovering' certain kind of ancient knowledge such as - and I am going to point to Advaita. I am sure there are others, particularly if we look to Philosophy. They are all mingled in them there texts, some gems mixed in there with the crap.
Yet, and yet. I see a lot of science, if we have to hold it as the authority and I don't, is 'discovering' certain kind of ancient knowledge such as - and I am going to point to Advaita. I am sure there are others, particularly if we look to Philosophy. They are all mingled in them there texts, some gems mixed in there with the crap.
there is no doubt they saw some of the same things we do today. I look at "Man came from dust" as an excellent example.
another area is interconnectivity of everything. Now we just proved just how interconnected., in fact, there is no "interconnected" its all kind of the same thing.
and insights in people's behaviors. We, humans, are basically the same so insightful people talking about how people behave is just as relevant today.
That does not lessen the position that we know more today than we did back then.
There was a time when the masses were utterly ignorant, and only the elite had access to knowledge. These times were known as the "dark ages," because the light of knowledge was so nearly extinguished. That which passed for knowledge, because it was so restricted to the few, was often in error. Make believe widely passed for knowledge. Then came the printing press and the rising availability of books. And knowledge began to become more widely disseminated. Then came public schools and universities. And knowledge became even more widely disseminated. Then came the internet and smart phones, and a great divide suddenly became apparent between the knowledgeable and the willfully ignorant. States painted themselves in colors of blue and red. Or in some cases, purple.
We will have to wait and see how that plays out. Historically the wide dissemination of knowledge has brought with it a steady advancement in the quality of knowledge, reflected in the advancement of modern technology. But a return to the ignorant dark ages is not out of the question.
the red flag is when knowledge has to be avoided to maintain a statement of belief about god.
thats when we need to start watching what is going on more carefully.
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