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yes, I disagree with you using "deny everything so theist can't use it." I disagree with obscuring facts because theist can use it to make atheism harder sell.
I certainty disagree, in this forum, at this time, with "ok, but could you "heel" because some of us feel religion is dangerous we really need to be unified and not question each other."
I disagree with you coming into a general religion/spiritual forum with the primary purpose to stop religion and telling me I am pollical and you are just are looking at truth. I don't have change anything or stop certain lines of logic because they don't get us anywhere in a forum like this.
You are fighting religion in this forum. You are far more political than me. Otherwise you wouldn't have to change the game on me so many times.
So any time you want to go point for point about how to talk about beliefs relating to science I am in. But you and I both know what that means. It will show That I am not only not political, but I am far less political than you.
Elyon nailed it by describing Arq as a propagandist!
Apart from the paraphrasing, if not misrepresenting, what I have said, if you don't see the 'danger of religion' (caveats aside) then your stance over this admittedly political, issue is so biased that your non - belief has been turned against itself, then I can only point up this evident fact to others.
I may say that I am also aware of One case at least where another socio -politically motivated problem - group targeted in a public and legal way an atheist spokesbod in what was shown up, later, as no more than a scam (playing the Diversity- card) to get a money -settlement. But the point in that (shockingly) a vid was posted by an atheist (so he said) screaming and yelling abuse in support of these scammers.
So it's not just on the Conservative side that his toxic bias is found. It is just as dangerous and we (in the UK as well as the US) should be working to stop it poisoning our society.
As to the danger of religion.............
"VATICAN CITY (RNS) — The Vatican said on Monday LGBTQ couples cannot receive a blessing by a priest. Pope Francis approved the decision despite his past openings toward same-sex couples.
“Since blessings on persons are in relationship with the sacraments, the blessing of homosexual unions cannot be considered licit,” said the note, signed by Cardinal Louis Ladaria, prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, or CDF.
Blessing same-sex couples “would constitute a certain imitation or analogue of the nuptial blessing,” which instead is exclusive to a marriage between a man and a woman, the document said. Couples who are divorced, remarried or sexually active outside of marriage also cannot be blessed." https://religionnews.com/2021/03/15/...e-sex-couples/
Correct, you have seen the Motte and Bailey fallacy being used, where one "conflates two positions which share similarities, one modest and easy to defend (the "motte") and one much more controversial (the "bailey")." - Wikipedia
The two positions are everything exists (objectively true) and everything is god (subjective truth based on fallacies and no evidence for his extra traits (which he himself admits)).
That people need to straw man Mystic's actual position is amusing.
Again with the lie of NO evidence thereby dismissing the whole being the creator or reason we exist and the undeniable source of all the laws and processes that maintain and control our existence and everything in it.
there simply is not a scintilla of evidence in support of, or even mildly consistent with the assertion that a god exists. I've been looking with an OPEN mind for any, including direct requests from believers to produce any, and it has been crickets.
Faith isn't evidence.
Ignorance isn't evidence
Lack of understanding isn't evidence
Hope isn't evidence
Assertion, no matter how emphatic, isn't evidence
Fear of mortality isn't evidence
Documents written thousands of years ago isn't evidence
Platitudes, e.g "god works in strange ways" isn't evidence
Cop-outs such as "free will" isn't evidence
Extremely flawed lifeforms, ostensibly the work product of a PERFECT creator, IS evidence (against the existence of such a creator)
A world full of suffering and misery at all levels, ostensibly the work product of a LOVING creator, IS evidence (against the existence of such a creator)
So please, produce some evidence, or with all due respect, give it a rest.
For record..."God" is the pigs eye too...and the pig...and anything & everything else.
AND...I can prove that:
IT IS A FACT that God is known to be defined as "The Supreme, or, Ultimate Reality".
And I can PROVE that, with EVIDENCE: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...80%A6%E2%80%94
I challenge you to refute that FACT...logically & reasonably.
IT IS A FACT that Reality Exists, and is self-evident and self-substantiating. If Reality did not exist...there would be nothing at all...and, even then, the "nothingness" would be Reality.
I challenge you to dispute that FACT...logically & reasonably.
Based upon those two irrefutable FACTS...you now have the EVIDENCE & PROOF there is that which exists that's a definitive "God Entity".
>>>>>God is Reality<<<<<
I challenge you to dispute that.
All you have done so far is argue against the objective existence of theologically based Deities, mythological creatures, and info and quotes from their Books and writings.
I fully agree that those Gods do not exist beyond metaphorical concepts.
But you claim..."There is no evidence for god".
Well...now you have it....and I challenge you to refute it.
there simply is not a scintilla of evidence in support of, or even mildly consistent with the assertion that a god exists. I've been looking with an OPEN mind for any, including direct requests from believers to produce any, and it has been crickets.
Faith isn't evidence.
Ignorance isn't evidence
Lack of understanding isn't evidence
Hope isn't evidence
Assertion, no matter how emphatic, isn't evidence
Fear of mortality isn't evidence
Documents written thousands of years ago isn't evidence
Platitudes, e.g "god works in strange ways" isn't evidence
Cop-outs such as "free will" isn't evidence
Extremely flawed lifeforms, ostensibly the work product of a PERFECT creator, IS evidence (against the existence of such a creator)
A world full of suffering and misery at all levels, ostensibly the work product of a LOVING creator, IS evidence (against the existence of such a creator)
So please, produce some evidence, or with all due respect, give it a rest.
For record..."God" is the pigs eye too...and the pig...and anything & everything else.
AND...I can prove that:
IT IS A FACT that God is known to be defined as "The Supreme, or, Ultimate Reality".
And I can PROVE that, with EVIDENCE: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...80%A6%E2%80%94
I challenge you to refute that FACT...logically & reasonably.
IT IS A FACT that Reality Exists, and is self-evident and self-substantiating. If Reality did not exist...there would be nothing at all...and, even then, the "nothingness" would be Reality.
I challenge you to dispute that FACT...logically & reasonably.
Based upon those two irrefutable FACTS...you now have the EVIDENCE & PROOF there is that which exists that's a definitive "God Entity".
>>>>>God is Reality<<<<<
I challenge you to dispute that.
All you have done so far is argue against the objective existence of theologically based Deities, mythological creatures, and info and quotes from their Books and writings.
I fully agree that those Gods do not exist beyond metaphorical concepts.
But you claim..."There is no evidence for god".
Well...now you have it....and I challenge you to refute it.
You've offered nothing to refute. YOu have no evidence, just circular non-reasoning. Where is your evidence that god is everything.
Once again, epic fail. Oh wait, you did get the fact that reality exists correct. Nothing else. You're not even close, not even in the same galaxy, much less same solar system.
Time for your to shut up, since you failed to put up. Bye.
P.S> I'm laughing in your virtual face, not with you but AT you. I'd say you can do better, but I seriously doubt it.
Once one has a TRUE God Experience, then there is no need to quarrel about whose Religion is the best one. Whose GOD is the best. God then will become The One Truth and True Experience for an individual and/or group of devotees, whether in India or Israel, since the beginning of creation or now. Christ Jesus becomes One True Experience in God. So does Abraham, Moses, Sri Yukteswar, and Lahiri Mahasaya. GOD and The Holy Spirit can become One True Experience for all. I cannot worship traditions of man-made gods such as statues of fertility goddesses as GOD, or individual nature spirits as GOD. I cannot worship and fear satan, any man, woman, or all of humanity as a whole, or entire universes, etc., as GOD. A TRUE, PERSONAL, LIVING, GOD Experience or connection, is what should really matter.
Even as an atheist I have to agree with you.
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Reason: clarify what part I agreed with. The second half contains some contradictions.
You've offered nothing to refute. YOu have no evidence, just circular non-reasoning. Where is your evidence that god is everything.
Once again, epic fail. Oh wait, you did get the fact that reality exists correct. Nothing else. You're not even close, not even in the same galaxy, much less same solar system.
Time for your to shut up, since you failed to put up. Bye.
P.S> I'm laughing in your virtual face, not with you but AT you. I'd say you can do better, but I seriously doubt it.
You have offered no specific or logical argument in rebuttal.
Laughing is not a argument. I realize that you have to talk dumbstuff to divert from the fact that you have nothing to offer against that PROOF.
AGAIN: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...80%A6%E2%80%94
God is defined as Reality...that is a FACT. You may not like that FACT..
but that does not change it.
Do you have a legitimate refutation of THAT?
If not...it certainly stands as PROOF. Not that you could ever place yourself as a superior authority to Merriam-Webster for defining words/terms. But I still wanna hear your SPECIFIC rebuttal to it.
I put up specifics: God is defined as Reality...and I proved it. Reality exists...the proof of that is self-substantiating, self-evident, and irrefutable.
Thus: God Exists
You talk dumbstuff...because you know YOU have failed at providing anything whatsoever but foolish talk.
1-"I lack belief".
2-Ok, you lack belief ... why?
1-I am not sure if you are telling the truth, misunderstanding, or flat out crazy.
2-ok,
1-but you're wrong, obscure, have no case, and I am am going to fight you at every turn.
3-yeah, we have to fight sortagod at every place so religious don't get a free pass into law making.
4-But they have some parts right.
1+3 duck tape 4 and put them in a closet.
1+3 We are open and honest are are willing to address positions logically.
2
1-"I lack belief".
2-Ok, you lack belief ... why?
1-I am not sure if you are telling the truth, misunderstanding, or flat out crazy.
2-ok,
1-but you're wrong, obscure, have no case, and I am am going to fight you at every turn.
3-yeah, we have to fight sortagod at every place so religious don't get a free pass into law making.
4-But they have some parts right.
1+3 duck tape 4 and put them in a closet.
1+3 We are open and honest are are willing to address positions logically.
2
5. Im sure your have good reasons for believing they way you do.
6. What are those reasons?
7. I find them unconvincing.
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