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Do you believe the disciples of Jesus were real people? If so, what evidence convinces you that they were real people?
Who wrote the bible?
Why us? Our universe is constantly expanding and we have no idea what is out there. High probability that we are not the only "beings" that exist in the universe. Why did God choose Earth for Jesus to live on? Do you believe God came down as a human being on other planets as well?
What convinces you that there is an afterlife aside from what the bible says?
What if you're wrong about God?
If you are part of a denomination, what convinced you to choose that denomination and not others?
What convinces you that Christianity is the "right" religion and not other religions?
Do you believe that God is responsible for everything? eg: if you are approved for a house, you should show grace and be thankful to God.
For atheists:
What convinced you that the bible is not real?
What convinced you that Jesus/God is not real?
Do you genuinely believe that human beings just randomly "popped" into existence and we are just here just because?
There are many testimonies of "spiritual activity". Eg: people getting readings from mediums (with the medium and the person not knowing each other), people who have "seen" something with 100% lucidity after no brain activity for several minutes, people who vow that they had a "vision" of something and they are not taking any medicine or drugs. What are your thoughts on these things? Do you think it's all rubbish and bull**** or do you think there could be "something" out there?
What if you're wrong and God/Jesus is real?
That's it
Last edited by compwiz02; 09-13-2023 at 11:55 AM..
What convinced you that the bible is not real?
What convinced you that Jesus/God is not real?
Do you genuinely believe that human beings just randomly "popped" into existence and we are just here just because?
There are many testimonies of "spiritual activity". Eg: people getting readings from mediums (with the medium and the person not knowing each other), people who have "seen" something with 100% lucidity after no brain activity for several minutes, people who vow that they had a "vision" of something and they are not taking any medicine or drugs. What are your thoughts on these things? Do you think it's all rubbish and bull**** or do you think there could be "something" out there?
What if you're wrong and God/Jesus is real?
That's it
Many of the bible's stories seem far too fantastical to be true. If those sorts of things happened in the past, why don't they happen now?
I think Jesus was real...just not "magic"...a teacher...a human.
Yes, I think it was all a primordial coincidence, and began thinking that when I read the studies by Stanley Miller when in college.
I very occasionally have gone to psychics, one in particular that was uncanny in her awareness. So there is something we don't understand...but that does not lead me to believe in god.
What if god is real? C'est la vie. I don't have any more to lose from that than a christian has if god does not exist. I'm always willing to learn.
What if god is real? C'est la vie. I don't have any more to lose from that than a christian has if god does not exist. I'm always willing to learn.
Allah is real and Hell is real.
Serve ye what ye will besides him.
Say: "Truly, those in loss are those who lose their own souls and their People on the Day of Judgment: Ah! that is indeed the (real and) evident Loss!
(As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications,
We shall make them enter fire;
so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned,
We will change them for other skins,
that they may taste the chastisement;
surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Serve ye what ye will besides him.
Say: "Truly, those in loss are those who lose their own souls and their People on the Day of Judgment: Ah! that is indeed the (real and) evident Loss!
(As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications,
We shall make them enter fire;
so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned,
We will change them for other skins,
that they may taste the chastisement;
surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
If there any place that could be described as 'hell on earth', then it would probably be the Middle East. So no thank you. And the hateful language that you used in that post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Do you believe the disciples of Jesus were real people? If so, what evidence convinces you that they were real people?
Who wrote the bible?
Why us? Our universe is constantly expanding and we have no idea what is out there. High probability that we are not the only "beings" that exist in the universe. Why did God choose Earth for Jesus to live on? Do you believe God came down as a human being on other planets as well?
What convinces you that there is an afterlife aside from what the bible says?
What if you're wrong about God?
If you are part of a denomination, what convinced you to choose that denomination and not others?
What convinces you that Christianity is the "right" religion and not other religions?
Do you believe that God is responsible for everything? eg: if you are approved for a house, you should show grace and be thankful to God.
For atheists:
What convinced you that the bible is not real?
What convinced you that Jesus/God is not real? Do you genuinely believe that human beings just randomly "popped" into existence and we are just here just because?
There are many testimonies of "spiritual activity". Eg: people getting readings from mediums (with the medium and the person not knowing each other), people who have "seen" something with 100% lucidity after no brain activity for several minutes, people who vow that they had a "vision" of something and they are not taking any medicine or drugs. What are your thoughts on these things? Do you think it's all rubbish and bull**** or do you think there could be "something" out there?
What if you're wrong and God/Jesus is real?
That's it
I can stop you right there. That's a very weird question to ask an atheist. 'Do I genuinely believe we just popped into existence? '
No I believe it took us about 13.8 billion years to evolve. That includes about 9 billion years until the earth formed from accretion about 4.5 billion years ago. Then prokarytes appeared about 4 billion years ago, cyanobacteria about 3 billion years ago, large multicelluar life about 1.5 billion years ago, human ancestors about 6 million years ago and homosapiens about 2 - 300,000 years ago. I'm rounding with this lot but you get the idea.
I thought it was Christians who believed we just 'popped into existence'? Are you sure you directed the question to the right people?
Also these are a lot of questions for one thread. How about dividing it into separate threads?
Many of the bible's stories seem far too fantastical to be true. If those sorts of things happened in the past, why don't they happen now?
I think Jesus was real...just not "magic"...a teacher...a human.
Yes, I think it was all a primordial coincidence, and began thinking that when I read the studies by Stanley Miller when in college.
I very occasionally have gone to psychics, one in particular that was uncanny in her awareness. So there is something we don't understand...but that does not lead me to believe in god.
What if god is real? C'est la vie. I don't have any more to lose from that than a christian has if god does not exist. I'm always willing to learn.
Excellent response. For me personally, I believe the bible is both objective and subjective. Churches are divided because they have different interpretations of scripture. But the fact that Bethlehem is a real city automatically refutes any statement that "the bible is a fantasy book". As for your question... who knows....maybe there are things happening that we don't know about. There could be things happening in places in Egypt that we don't know about.
There are a couple of books on the rise of Christianity. I personally believe Jesus was real also. But I know there are atheists who absolutely refute the existence of Jesus.
Do you think our existence is a coincidence is an "effect" of something else? Obviously, we evolved from something but do you think that something just "popped" into existance?
I also believe there are forces out there that we do not understand.
There was actually a video on YouTube where a Catholic asked a priest about a conversation the priest had with an atheist. The atheist asked "what if you are wrong and God is not real?". The priest smiled and said "then I am wrong. I have nothing to lose. but what if you are wrong?". Basically, nobody loses anything if God is not real but if God indeed is real, there are many people in our universe who are <<bleep>> lol.
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Originally Posted by truth_teller
Allah is real and Hell is real.
Serve ye what ye will besides him.
Say: "Truly, those in loss are those who lose their own souls and their People on the Day of Judgment: Ah! that is indeed the (real and) evident Loss!
(As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications,
We shall make them enter fire;
so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned,
We will change them for other skins,
that they may taste the chastisement;
surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Really? That's your response?
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I can stop you right there. That's a very weird question to ask an atheist. 'Do I genuinely believe we just popped into existence? '
No I believe it took us about 13.8 billion years to evolve. That includes about 9 billion years until the earth formed from accretion about 4.5 billion years ago. Then prokarytes appeared about 4 billion years ago, cyanobacteria about 3 billion years ago, large multicelluar life about 1.5 billion years ago, human ancestors about 6 million years ago and homosapiens about 2 - 300,000 years ago. I'm rounding with this lot but you get the idea.
I thought it was Christians who believed we just 'popped into existence'? Are you sure you directed the question to the right people?
Also these are a lot of questions for one thread. How about dividing it into separate threads?
How is it a weird question? No question is weird if the purpose is to learn something. I've literally read posts where atheists say that human beings live on this earth just....because. There is no reason. We evolved from single-cell organisms and that's it.
Christians have many beliefs. It would be false to assume Christians only had one specific belief. But now that you said, I guess I'll direct that question to both atheists and Christians.
I want to avoid populating this subforum with multiple threads lol.
I can stop you right there. That's a very weird question to ask an atheist. 'Do I genuinely believe we just popped into existence? '
No I believe it took us about 13.8 billion years to evolve. That includes about 9 billion years until the earth formed from accretion about 4.5 billion years ago. Then prokarytes appeared about 4 billion years ago, cyanobacteria about 3 billion years ago, large multicelluar life about 1.5 billion years ago, human ancestors about 6 million years ago and homosapiens about 2 - 300,000 years ago. I'm rounding with this lot but you get the idea.
I thought it was Christians who believed we just 'popped into existence'? Are you sure you directed the question to the right people?
Also these are a lot of questions for one thread. How about dividing it into separate threads?
I think it's fine as a combined topic...we used to teach kids to 'compare and contrast'.
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