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Old 09-19-2020, 04:08 PM
 
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Hi Basil,

I am sorry about the loss of your husband, and also sorry, although in a different way, for misgendering you.

Thanks for responding though.

I think you have been pretty clear. You accept the Bible as completely truthful and accurate, and you accept anything written in it as just and moral if it comes from god. I have the feeling that you would accept literally anything you found written in the book.

Is that accurate?

Obviously I disagree with you as to the morality of god’s actions in the Bible, but I am not going to try to convince you otherwise.

I am curious as to your reasons for converting to Christianity. What made you decide that the Bible is an accurate, truthful account of history? Is there evidence that convinced you, was it some sort of personal mystical experience, or something else?
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Old 09-19-2020, 04:50 PM
 
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The primary challenge facing theists is that of parsing the spiritual fossil record between those concepts and ideas inspired by God from those that are the inspirations and interpretations of men. Of course, atheists generally do not think there are ANY inspirations from God making any parsing superfluous to them.
one small, tinny, seemly insignificant, sentence debunks trans sect, opps, brand of atheism ...

The universe is doing ... everything.

and since he can't argue it scientifically ... he covers it up, hides it, runs from it, or excommunicates it out of atheism.
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Old 09-19-2020, 04:52 PM
 
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nipped for space ...

Yes, I've thought about it. I choose God. If that's not a good idea in some people's viewpoint then it's not a good idea in their viewpoint. I read the Westminster's Confessions of Faith, found it made a lot of since and reread the Bible. God called me to him and I chose to follow him. That's about all of why I'm a Christian. I can relate to a lot of what atheists say about God because I felt much the same way once. What changed was that I loved Jesus when he revealed himself to me. Much of what's being stated on here will generally get the same reply from me, that I won't put myself in the place of God.

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some people grab onto a loving god in time's of trouble and others grab onto a hateful anti-god in times of trouble.
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Old 09-19-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I remember when my sister's husband was shot in the face and subsequently died, she said "God's plan for me does not include Author". Two boys left fatherless, my sister heartbroken and this was part of 'God's plan'?

Not for one moment do I think 'God' had a plan, not to mention such a cruel plan.
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Old 09-19-2020, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I remember when my sister's husband was shot in the face and subsequently died, she said "God's plan for me does not include Author". Two boys left fatherless, my sister heartbroken and this was part of 'God's plan'?

Not for one moment do I think 'God' had a plan, not to mention such a cruel plan.
Same thinking here when my mother's second husband was murdered in Florida, leaving behind my mother (who struggled the rest of her life) and a baby daughter.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:00 PM
 
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I remember when my sister's husband was shot in the face and subsequently died, she said "God's plan for me does not include Author". Two boys left fatherless, my sister heartbroken and this was part of 'God's plan'?

Not for one moment do I think 'God' had a plan, not to mention such a cruel plan.
did he have a past? or was it unexpected?
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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did he have a past? or was it unexpected?
He had a past and yes it was expected. Well, we weren't expecting it when it happened but we knew there was a risk. I thought I was at the place of being able to actually help him get through. But I didn't know what was going on at the time, I thought he was OK at the time. It pains me that I could have got him home if only I had known. So many 'if onlys'. He was such a fine young man too, loved by all who knew him.

But 'God's plan' had nothing to do with it. This was a straight forward life's tragedy. There were of course causes but those causes were not inevitable. He was vulnerable and 'bad stuff' happened that resulted in more bad stuff happening.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:47 PM
 
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He had a past and yes it was expected. Well, we weren't expecting it when it happened but we knew there was a risk. I thought I was at the place of being able to actually help him get through. But I didn't know what was going on at the time, I thought he was OK at the time. It pains me that I could have got him home if only I had known. So many 'if onlys'. He was such a fine young man too, loved by all who knew him.

But 'God's plan' had nothing to do with it. This was a straight forward life's tragedy. There were of course causes but those causes were not inevitable. He was vulnerable and 'bad stuff' happened that resulted in more bad stuff happening.
thanks for your honesty.
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Old 09-19-2020, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Life and death remain tantalizing mysteries.

If there's a god-thing I think it's winging it.

Maybe we exist only in its dreams.

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Old 09-19-2020, 11:24 PM
 
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How can God implement his plan, when Satan is the ruler of our world?
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