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You mean valid and validated evidence and crap evidence?
I think the term "validated" here is perhaps a good one.
I think back to a discipline case I was once dealing with, and the 'evidence' all pointed to the kid in question not really being guilty of anything. Just as I was about the investigation up, one kid, "Well he did have that knife". Over a dozen kids hadn't mentioned a knife or any kind of weapon, but once one mentioned it, a dozen dominoes fell over.
I can take the Bible as a piece of evidence (more so with the NT). I can also say that I have not seen corroborating evidence that satisfies me.
I think the term "validated" here is perhaps a good one.
I think back to a discipline case I was once dealing with, and the 'evidence' all pointed to the kid in question not really being guilty of anything. Just as I was about the investigation up, one kid, "Well he did have that knife". Over a dozen kids hadn't mentioned a knife or any kind of weapon, but once one mentioned it, a dozen dominoes fell over.
I can take the Bible as a piece of evidence (more so with the NT). I can also say that I have not seen corroborating evidence that satisfies me.
The Bible is only relevant to validating specific BELIEFS ABOUT God in the Abrahamic religions, NOT evidence about the EXISTENCE of God which is limited to science.
You may not realize it, but simply having confidence in something does not make it true.
Well, since our Reality is the source for the existence (or the beginning) of everything, I think it qualifies as God to us and rates 100% confidence regarding the beginning of life.
WRONG! I am presuming NO extra properties. I am using the properties we do know about to establish the EXISTENCE of God. I am BELIEVING additional properties to adopt the Christian religion. You are using additional properties to reject the existence of God because everything we use is about what DOES exist. We just do not know what the hell it IS.
You presume the ultimate reality is conscious. I do not. How is not believing your presumption me using additional properties?
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I made no false statement and you always make these blanket accusations without specifying what the hell you THINK I said.
You argued two options, no god or your god. I just pointed out the several billion data points you ignored, the theists who believe a god created our reality, not your belief of a god you claim IS our reality.
Perhaps if you think rationally about your arguments instead of your usual emotional knee jerk response, you would not make arguments that when followed to their natural conclusion, are not sound.
Since neither you nor I or anyone else KNOW ontologically what our Reality IS, HOW exactly, in your immense arrogance, do you determine that the evidence we acquire about our EXISTING Reality is NOT about God?
And why do you keep asserting it IS a god, in your immense arrogance?
You presume the ultimate reality is conscious. I do not. How is not believing your presumption me using additional properties?
I presume our Reality is conscious because WE are conscious and we are part and parcel of Reality. Your composition fallacy nonsense satisfies you because you refuse to consider the properties in our Reality as belonging to a single entity and presume they must be seen as separate things. There is no reconciling such philosophical arrogance and intransigence.
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You argued two options, no god or your god. I just pointed out the several billion data points you ignored, the theists who believe a god created our reality, not your belief of a god you claim IS our reality.
The beliefs of humans (no matter how many billions of them) are NOT scientific evidence of anything, let alone whether or not our Reality is God.
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Perhaps if you think rationally about your arguments instead of your usual emotional knee jerk response, you would not make arguments that when followed to their natural conclusion, are not sound.
Perhaps if you had more exposure to and practice thinking philosophically about these deep issues and abandoned your shallow commonsensical thinking you would realize your views about these deeper issues are NOT supported by existing science.
You mean valid and validated evidence and crap evidence?
TRANSPONDER: “There is a huge amount of evidence for Christianity. The point is that it doesn't stand up well under scrutiny.”
Yes, I agree with you. A huge amount of evidence exists for Christianity. To say “no evidence exists” is disingenuous.
Whether or not evidence is convincing to a particular person does not disqualify it as evidence. To suggest such a thing is evidence of faulty reasoning.
TRANSPONDER: “There is a huge amount of evidence for Christianity. The point is that it doesn't stand up well under scrutiny.”
Yes, I agree with you. A huge amount of evidence exists for Christianity. To say “no evidence exists” is disingenuous.
Whether or not evidence is convincing to a particular person does not disqualify it as evidence. To suggest such a thing is evidence of faulty reasoning.
I agree...I think. As is often the case, one has to explain what they mean. Thetr can be Any evidence presented...It's evidence. But I usually think in terms of evidence that is validated or stands up to scrutiny. Of course, people differ on what they consider Good evidence.
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