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Old 09-23-2020, 09:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15 View Post
So Richard, is it your opinion that the eating of the fruit of 'some knowledge of good and evil(bad-Richard) was exactly as god planned, since they were created with a vast knowledge of good and bad?
To address your parenthetical, the Hebrew word RA in Tanakh means bad...RASHA means evil...

The Yetzer HaRa was incorporated into their psyche after they had eaten from the tree, before that, evil existed separately...Which kinda lines up with what Mystic always goes on about...So, now we have the Yetzer HaRa and the Yetzer HaTov battling it out inside of us and free will to choose which one we follow...In Judaism, by striving to follow the 613 Mitzvot, we can eventually be free of the Yetzer HaRa and make it disappear from within us...

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You seem to believe they knew quite a bit of good and bad through experiences learned but they were just days old.
I’m not implying that at all...

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Tell me, was the serpent Satan or just serpent
According to the story, it was merely a beast of the field...
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:17 AM
 
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Ruling over the humans that its creator made?
Where in Tanakh does it even allude to that?...
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:19 AM
 
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IKR ... it cracks me up that humans get to say what god is and is not. It doesn't matter what the science points to. but one look at the news and we see "truth" gotz very little to do with anything for a lot of people.
Of course they get to say, they created him...
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:07 AM
 
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“Man is born sinful”: I can perhaps live with it if it’s interpreted as, “We are humans and we are bound to make mistakes. If we didn’t make a mistake then we wouldn’t be humans; we would be angels. (And no, Satan was NOT an angel. He was from the Jinn kind)”

But if it’s interpreted as “Man is born with a sin (the original sin”) then I reject this belief because such a God would be unjust and unfair. Why am I to face the consequences for something that I didn’t do?
I wouldn’t prescribe to such an illogical doctrine.
I can admit I made a mistake once. Back in 1987...
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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That's the thing with sin and stuff. As a 6 year old I used to watch re runs of the scenes in the movie wild things just so I could fantasize and perve at Denise Richards.

Is that original sin? Or just want my mind and body wants to look at?
It's just perversion I think, and we all know the punishment for perversion is hell. Too bad let455...
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:12 AM
 
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If that was logically true then Satan must be rewarded for his services; however, Satan doesn’t seem to have a very pleasant final destiny, does he?
Always get a kick when someone refers to what is logically true in discussions like this one...
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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Logic? In god-belief? Sure, on Earth a boss would need to reward Satan, but this is not Earth we are talking about. This is heaven. And this is no ordinary boss. This is God. Nobody says what he 'must' do.
Some dare say what He must do, and they too get their fast-track ticket to hell punched in no uncertain terms!
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:22 AM
 
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According to the story, it was merely a beast of the field...
A **special** designed beast, correct Richard? or did the xians not get it right in this part of the story too?

This isn't god inspired?

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Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
- god
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Ruling over the humans that its creator made?
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Where in Tanakh does it even allude to that?...
Why does it have to?
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:37 PM
 
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What destiny is that, pray tell?...
First you tell, how Satan works for G-d? I be honest with you, I didn't hear this one before. And I will listen.
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