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NO LINK, I'll be corrected if wrong. The last I knew for U.S. Jews, except for Orthodox, Hasidic Jews, the fertility rate lags a little behind other religious groups. My guess is many if not most Jewish couples aren't fruitfully multiplying as much as the Mitzvah expects.
I wanted to get back to you on this one...
I'll be corrected on this one too if I'm wrong, but I think if you add all Catholics and Mormons, just about all others come out below the average fertility rate.
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We're going to close this thread for a while. We're not comfortable with seeing so many accusations of antisemitism. That's a personal attack that should be handled privately, by reports or DMs with the moderators.
We're going to clean this thread up before reopening it.
About 20 posts have been deleted. Let's get something straight. There is nothing wrong with having this thread in this forum. However, antisemitism will not be tolerated in this forum, either. Any member who feels that he/she has seen evidence of antisemitism on the R&S forums is advised to use the "report post" feature, same as with personal attacks. Do not call out forum members or engage with those whom you feel have crossed this line. Moderators are to deal with these things. In general, blanket statements and stereotypes about the character or behavior of a group of people are an indicator of bias. Don't post such statements.
This thread is to discuss the 613 laws. It's not about discussing each other or about discussing Judaism. However, we do have to recognize that the Jewish laws have to be understood in the context of Judaism.
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68. Not to exclude an Egyptian from the community of Israel for three generations (Deut. 23:8-9) I wonder why three generations? Why not two or four? (And how long a generation might be in years given the time these commandments were written). In any case, I see how a good many of these commandments were relevant at the time but no longer so.
1. the 613 are relevant to this day.
2. because they convey principles that are relevant to this day.
3. if a person fails to recognize the principles, then the conclusions drawn are flawed.
4. the above post (bold) demonstrates item 3 above drawing a flawed conclusion.
an individual person may find something has no relevance to their own life. for instance "relationship with the Creator" may not be relevant to a self-identified atheist. "instructions for living life as a Jew" may not be relevant to someone who is not a Jew. "self-awareness and character development" may not be relevant to someone who who does not value that.
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1. the 613 are relevant to this day.
2. because they convey principles that are relevant to this day.
3. if a person fails to recognize the principles, then the conclusions drawn are flawed.
4. the above post (bold) demonstrates item 3 above drawing a flawed conclusion.
an individual person may find something has no relevance to their own life. for instance "relationship with the Creator" may not be relevant to a self-identified atheist. "instructions for living life as a Jew" may not be relevant to someone who is not a Jew. "self-awareness and character development" may not be relevant to someone who values neither.
Fair enough, but it would be far more relevant to me and perhaps others if you could explain how not excluding an Egyptian from the community of Israel for three generations is relevant to you today. I'd be interested to know that more specifically with respect to this specific commandment, to better understand this specific commandment, rather than all the other commentary about the other generalities.
What is the principle (related to Egyptians in this case) that I'm not recognizing? The better understanding about this more specifically might help me and others to keep from making flawed conclusions. The want of that better understanding is much about why I started this thread, but if lack of understanding is simply met with more about how one can't understand all about the Torah, then what to conclude about that as well?
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