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Old 10-08-2020, 05:27 PM
 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_of_the_unlearned
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Old 10-08-2020, 05:55 PM
 
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sign me up for virtuous pagans.
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Old 10-08-2020, 08:01 PM
 
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It’s a list of people who lived before Jesus, saved by their faith in God, through the future redemptive work of Jesus.
Thanks.
Can you elaborate with an example as to how this works?
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Old 10-08-2020, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Thanks.
Can you elaborate with an example as to how this works?
Read the story of Abraham in Genesis, especially the episode with his son Issac. Or Noah. Or Daniel. Or Joseph.
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Old 10-08-2020, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Germany
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There are many things that appear to be intrinsic to human beings. They are not all accurate or real, and they are not all good.
Yes, cognitive bias leads us to many false beliefs.
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Old 10-09-2020, 10:51 PM
 
Location: California USA
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This question isn't specific to any religion, but if you are a believer in some religion, what do you think happens to those humans who lived before your religion existed? What about those lived after, but were never exposed to your religion (natives in areas before colonization, current isolated tribes for example)? What about the other human like species that lived before your religion, such as the Neanderthals?
Resurrection to life on earth but an earth free of corruption.
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Old 10-10-2020, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Jehovah says He has made Himself known, so there is no excuse.
Makes you wonder why, just before Jesus ascended into Heaven, He made a point of telling His Apostles to preach His gospel to every nation, kindred and tongue. It was almost as if He realized that there was a need for them to do this. I guess He didn't realize that everyone would come to know the truth simply by osmosis -- even those people who had already died. I wonder why He didn't say, "By the way, don't bother spending the rest of your lives teaching people about me, since they have no excuse for not knowing, even if nobody tells them."
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Old 10-10-2020, 09:31 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Read the story of Abraham in Genesis, especially the episode with his son Issac. Or Noah. Or Daniel. Or Joseph.
No, he didn't ask you for a reading list; he asked you to explain how your claim works.

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Resurrection to life on earth but an earth free of corruption.
That sounds fine but really makes no sense. If it was as easy as that, why not just do it?
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Old 10-10-2020, 10:16 AM
 
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Makes you wonder why, just before Jesus ascended into Heaven, He made a point of telling His Apostles to preach His gospel to every nation, kindred and tongue. It was almost as if He realized that there was a need for them to do this. I guess He didn't realize that everyone would come to know the truth simply by osmosis -- even those people who had already died. I wonder why He didn't say, "By the way, don't bother spending the rest of your lives teaching people about me, since they have no excuse for not knowing, even if nobody tells them."
Uh, in a way He did, Katz.

Hebrews 8:7-13 King James Version (KJV)

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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Old 10-10-2020, 03:16 PM
 
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Uh, in a way He did, Katz.

Hebrews 8:7-13 King James Version (KJV)

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Okay, but how do you reconcile this with Jesus' instructions to His Apostles that they "teach all nations"? I would agree with you that God himself (rather than human beings, a book, etc.) is the source of all of the truths we come to learn about Him, but when fundies condemn non-believers and say that they have "no excuse" for not believing, that's ludicrous.
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