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Old 10-11-2020, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Makes you wonder why, just before Jesus ascended into Heaven, He made a point of telling His Apostles to preach His gospel to every nation, kindred and tongue. It was almost as if He realized that there was a need for them to do this. I guess He didn't realize that everyone would come to know the truth simply by osmosis -- even those people who had already died. I wonder why He didn't say, "By the way, don't bother spending the rest of your lives teaching people about me, since they have no excuse for not knowing, even if nobody tells them."
Two different things. God exists vs. Jesus died for our sins. See Romans 1:19-20
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Old 10-12-2020, 12:21 AM
 
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"Your" religion isn't such a relevant question. A better question might be in regard to an entire interconnected religious system that spans any number of sects and perhaps back to its original root in systems not widely thought to be connected.

A general lack of civilization due to casual-murder being more or less legal.
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Old 10-12-2020, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Two different things. God exists vs. Jesus died for our sins. See Romans 1:19-20
Agreed. And how is a person to know that Jesus died for our sins unless someone tells him. Romans 1:19-20 doesn't address that question. Besides, people of all Abrahamic religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Baha'is) all believe in the same God. So, is Romans 1:19-20 telling us that there is no excuse for not believing that Jesus is the Messiah? Is it telling us that there is no excuse for not believing in the Abrahamic God? Is it telling us that there is no excuse for not believing in some Higher Power other than the Abrahamic God? The verse is really pretty vague when it says people "have no excuse." Many Christians use that verse, though, insist that we not only have to believe in God, but understand Him exactly the same way they do.
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:15 PM
 
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This question isn't specific to any religion, but if you are a believer in some religion, what do you think happens to those humans who lived before your religion existed? What about those lived after, but were never exposed to your religion (natives in areas before colonization, current isolated tribes for example)? What about the other human like species that lived before your religion, such as the Neanderthals?
What about them exactly are you worried about? Mostly they worked, ate, procreated, and at night looked up at the stars and wondered. That’s what I think.
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Old 10-12-2020, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Agreed. And how is a person to know that Jesus died for our sins unless someone tells him. Romans 1:19-20 doesn't address that question. Besides, people of all Abrahamic religions (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Baha'is) all believe in the same God. So, is Romans 1:19-20 telling us that there is no excuse for not believing that Jesus is the Messiah? Is it telling us that there is no excuse for not believing in the Abrahamic God? Is it telling us that there is no excuse for not believing in some Higher Power other than the Abrahamic God? The verse is really pretty vague when it says people "have no excuse." Many Christians use that verse, though, insist that we not only have to believe in God, but understand Him exactly the same way they do.
I believe it is telling us there is no excuse for not believing in the God of creation.
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Old 10-12-2020, 04:40 PM
 
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I believe it is telling us there is no excuse for not believing in the God of creation.
I believe its telling when there is absolutely no reason to ignore everything we see to believe in a creator god.
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Old 10-12-2020, 10:18 PM
 
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This question isn't specific to any religion, but if you are a believer in some religion, what do you think happens to those humans who lived before your religion existed? What about those lived after, but were never exposed to your religion (natives in areas before colonization, current isolated tribes for example)? What about the other human like species that lived before your religion, such as the Neanderthals?
They're dead.
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Old 10-12-2020, 10:24 PM
 
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They're dead.
Yes, those who died before Jesus died are dead, still dead - John 3:13; Acts 2:34.
Dead also like the people mentioned at Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39.
They have Not yet seen the resurrection promise.
They can have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection during Jesus' coming 1,000-year reign over Earth.
This is why Acts 24:15 uses the future tense that ' there is going to be ' a resurrection....
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Old 10-12-2020, 10:28 PM
 
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"Your" religion isn't such a relevant question. A better question might be in regard to an entire interconnected religious system that spans any number of sects and perhaps back to its original root in systems not widely thought to be connected. ................
If we trace mankind's religious roots back to its base start we find ancient Babylon.
As the people migrated away from ancient Babylon they took with them their religious ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
This is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious practices and ideas spread throughout the world today.
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