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Old 10-19-2020, 08:54 AM
 
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Once Jesus came onto the scene, the ways of the vengeful God (the father) went away. The times as shown in the Old Testament ended. A new chapter started.

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Any ill and strife since then has either been as side effects of nature (the dangerous and decaying sides), as well as products of mankind. The God of the OT long ago gave up his actions characteristic of the early days.

Blaming God for problems now, just like blaming the devil, are both equally pointless.

Are you saying jesus was invented 2000 years ago to tame the evil god of the OT, or is jesus god and always existed?

Help me to understand please.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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Are you saying jesus was invented 2000 years ago to tame the evil god of the OT, or is jesus god and always existed?
Neither of those is accurate. You might have picked those up in the church and organized religion.

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Old 10-19-2020, 09:14 AM
 
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Are you saying jesus was invented 2000 years ago to tame the evil god of the OT, or is jesus god and always existed?

Help me to understand please.
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Neither of those is accurate. You might have picked those up in the church and organized religion.
Please correct me with details strong enough to convince an atheist
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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Fred (Mister) Rogers said a great thing in an interview once. He said that discipline is just as important as love.

Anyone who believes in a god of "pure love" and nothing else is someone that I would not trust to be alone with a child. I would not want to have anything to do with such a person. I could only pray for him.
My wife and I just enjoyed watching the movie "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood," and we highly recommend everyone else do too!

Did you know Tom Hanks is a sixth cousin of Fred Rogers?

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Old 10-19-2020, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Once Jesus came onto the scene, the ways of the vengeful God (the father) went away. The times as shown in the Old Testament ended. A new chapter started.

Any ill and strife since then has either been as side effects of nature (the dangerous and decaying sides), as well as products of mankind.

Blaming God for problems now, just like blaming the devil, are both equally pointless. But mankind loves to shift blame and point fingers, and largely refuses to be honest about where to put responsibility.
So what does that say about the old testament?
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:32 AM
 
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Please correct me with details strong enough to convince an atheist
That's like asking someone who only has the thinnest fishing line to catch minnows in a small lake to provide a line strong enough to haul in a beluga sturgeon out on the high seas...
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:35 AM
 
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That's like asking someone who only has the thinnest fishing line to catch minnows in a small lake to provide a line strong enough to haul in a beluga sturgeon out on the high seas...
He/she said I was wrong?
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:39 AM
 
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He/she said I was wrong?
Yes, and you ask the impossible "with details strong enough" to prove you otherwise...
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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Yes, and you ask the impossible "with details strong enough" to prove you otherwise...
I don’t understand the problem. He has the creator of everything on his/her side.
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:50 AM
 
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I don’t understand the problem. He has the creator of everything on his/her side.
Perhaps best to never mind. Time for me to sign off now anyway, so I'll step aside and leave it to you two with no doubts you'll have this well figured out in no time after I take my leave...
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