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Truth isn't based on our enjoyment, or emotions. I may not LIKE gravity, but it still exists. So whether or not I LIKE the idea of God's wrath doesn't matter.
The Good News of the Gospel is that Jesus will save us if we just trust in him.
And for many of us the so-called truth of the bible isn't our truth.
Thankfully, truth is not determined by what one determines in their hearts.
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Truth is the property of being in accord with fact or reality. In everyday language, truth is typically ascribed to things that aim to represent reality or otherwise correspond to it, such as beliefs, propositions, and declarative sentences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth
Truth is rather the opposite of make believe. Truth is under no obligation to conform to human needs, either physically or emotionally, or to represent that which can be imagined, assumed or declared to be true. Truth is derived from the examination of physical reality through direct observation and experimentation.
For example: In ancient times the concept of "heaven" and "the heavens" were synonymous with the veil of stars that were visible with the naked eye. Heaven was thought to exist beyond this veil. Direct observation however, made ever more sophisticated through advancing technology, indicates the the veil of stars visible to the naked eye is actually a vast universe of stars receding to and beyond the ability of light to travel the great distance necessary for us to perceive it. "Heaven" cannot be established to exist physically, and can only be imagined, assumed and declared to exist. Heaven therefore entirely corresponds to make believe.
The exact same thing is true for the existence, or concept, of God. The existence of God can only be imagined, assumed and declared to exist, and therefore exactly conforms to make believe.
Where knowledge leaves off, ignorance begins. This is the domain of make believe.
Revelation 6:16-17 "They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?""
Ever read Revelation? The wrath of the Lamb will be poured out on a sinful world. But we can avoid it by trusting in Jesus.
LOL, why is God 'wrathful' in the first place?!!!
HE is the one that created us, to be the way we are for petes sake! (if he was so unhappy about the nature of man...why didnt he change it?!!), he had the power and authority to do so.
Furthermore, it was HIM that cast Satan down to earth, (among us)!! What did he expect to happen? LOL He COULD have banished Satan to some distant planet on the other side of the universe, where he has NO access to man, he COULD have 'disabled' Satans ability to access or influence man too.
And for many of us the so-called truth of the bible isn't our truth.
And you're certainly entitled to hold a wrong position. Make sure to tell God that on judgment day. I'm sure he'll go easy on you when you tell him you don't believe in his Word.
HE is the one that created us, to be the way we are for petes sake! (if he was so unhappy about the nature of man...why didnt he change it?!!), he had the power and authority to do so.
I addressed that. He did not create us as sinners. He put Adam and Eve in the garden as sinless human beings.
Wikipedia
Truth
Truth is the property of being in accord with fact or reality. In everyday language, truth is typically ascribed to things that aim to represent reality or otherwise correspond to it, such as beliefs, propositions, and declarative sentences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth
Truth is rather the opposite of make believe. Truth is under no obligation to conform to human needs, either physically or emotionally, or to represent that which can be imagined, assumed or declared to be true. Truth is derived from the examination of physical reality through direct observation and experimentation.
For example: In ancient times the concept of "heaven" and "the heavens" were synonymous with the veil of stars that were visible with the naked eye. Heaven was thought to exist beyond this veil. Direct observation however, made ever more sophisticated through advancing technology, indicates the the veil of stars visible to the naked eye is actually a vast universe of stars receding to and beyond the ability of light to travel the great distance necessary for us to perceive it. "Heaven" cannot be established to exist physically, and can only be imagined, assumed and declared to exist. Heaven therefore entirely corresponds to make believe.
The exact same thing is true for the existence, or concept, of God. The existence of God can only be imagined, assumed and declared to exist, and therefore exactly conforms to make believe.
Where knowledge leaves off, ignorance begins. This is the domain of make believe.
I read a quote the other day, which I don't remember exactly, but to (greatly) paraphrase -- real truth is what shows up when it's something you don't really believe in.
And you're certainly entitled to hold a wrong position. Make sure to tell God that on judgment day. I'm sure he'll go easy on you when you tell him you don't believe in his Word.
Baby, I've already told him. And since you believe he's all-knowing, he already heard me.
And you're certainly entitled to hold a wrong position. Make sure to tell God that on judgment day. I'm sure he'll go easy on you when you tell him you don't believe in his Word.
What are you going to tell an angry Allah?
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
I addressed that. He did not create us as sinners. He put Adam and Eve in the garden as sinless human beings.
That still doesn't work. They were made with the capacity to sin and God already knew that they would and yet still went ahead - if you believe Genesis, which I don't.
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