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Absolutely and you have explained it perfectly with Distancing. I think that is because religion is entirely about controlling behavior for the sake of preservation of a society, protection of the weaker. Spirituality is really about freedom, not control. And it is all about one self, whereas religion is all about others, the institution. However they are also connected because it is within the religions that the texts reside, the thoughts of those who have experienced spiritual heights, have experienced reality.
You think that what Catholicism did to native peoples in South, Latin, and North America protected the weaker?
I hesitated to answer this because often when an atheist (and I don't mean you in particular) points toward "emotions" when people speak of spirituality, it's meant as a sneer and dismissal, as if feeling emotion automatically negates spirituality.
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we middle of the roaders need to stand up and be heard mighty. Not speaking up because "atheist may do this" and "some theist are so obnoxious I just don't want to say how I feel." is putting a reasonable solution out of sight.
standing up to pathologic makes the few look pathological. Its why we are stuck, we let the two sides run a muck.
No, it isn't that. It is more an understanding of what this feeling is (and as a music - lover, you can be sure I know all about emotion) and pointing out that this is fine and dandy and worthwhile as it is, but understood for what it is, but we have to make a chess -move against any attempt to use this to validate, justify or underpin any claims of Something More (Cosmic mind or suchlike) (1).
Just as we have to block any efforts to make a case for Something More by discrediting the 'This is emotion' alternative hypothesis by calling it "sneer and dismissal".
(1) and I do hope that this won't be in itself attacked as 'Godphobia' or even 'anti -atheism'.
These feelings you and MQ are discussing are mere shadows of the underlying Reality as were even my meditation experiences, as powerful and compelling as they were. Phrases like "through a mirror darkly" and such vastly understate it. Your reference to chess moves reveals the mindset that you bring to this issue. The dangers that some religious beliefs can pose to human society can understandably motivate such a mindset, but to DENY that it is some sort of Godophobia is disingenuous.
No, he said: "religion is entirely about controlling behavior for the sake of preservation of a society, protection of the weaker.
I am pointing out a case -- a very broad case -- where religion intentionally abused the weaker.
again ... good religious people do good things. bad ones do bad things ... belief has nothing to do with it.
Catholics are fighting for social change ... religious people are down at all those protest and celebrations for the win. (and spreading covid .. a small factoid they leave out of the news ... thanks activist) ) point that out too.
These feelings you and MQ are discussing are mere shadows of the underlying Reality as were even my meditation experiences, as powerful and compelling as they were. Phrases like "through a mirror darkly" and such vastly understate it. Your reference to chess moves reveals the mindset that you bring to this issue. The dangers that some religious beliefs can pose to human society can understandably motivate such a mindset, but to DENY that it is some sort of Godophobia is disingenuous.
I have a feeling we are connected to a larger more complex system.
can they show how their feeling that we are not out weights my feeling we are?
again ... good religious people do good things. bad ones do bad things ... belief has nothing to do with it.
Catholics are fighting for social change ... religious people are down at all those protest and celebrations for the win. (and spreading covid .. a small factoid they leave out of the news ... thanks activist) ) point that out too.
No, he said: "religion is entirely about controlling behavior for the sake of preservation of a society, protection of the weaker.
I am pointing out a case -- a very broad case -- where religion intentionally abused the weaker.
Exactly. A perfect example of evolving social humanism making the previous religious and autocrat - dominated societies better and then religions claiming all the credit for that.
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