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Old 11-29-2020, 09:22 AM
 
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Kewl!

We can burn witches and own people again.

Afreakenmen
We never burned witches here. That was a European Christian thing.
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Judeo-Christian theology is and should be the basis for all secular laws in western societies. I would go so far as to say all true morality comes from Judeo-Christian foundations. Many disagree with me.
One of the things that has been discussed recently on this forum is the concept of 'christian privilege'.

Thank you for presenting such a perfect example of that concept.

Those of you who said there is no such thing as christian privilege...here you go!
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:39 AM
 
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Good point. A matter that often pops up here is the 'Golden Rule'. This is so often claimed to be an example of Jesus' superior morality, but it is pointed out that the NT saying appears to be the Golden Rule as expressed by the Pharisee Hillel, before Jesus' time. And other versions of the Golden Rule have been arrived at in other earlier societies.

It is in fact a common human conclusion reflecting the ethical principle of reciprocity upon which human society (in a workable form) is based.
Time for this again, I guess:

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Old 11-29-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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Good point. A matter that often pops up here is the 'Golden Rule'. This is so often claimed to be an example of Jesus' superior morality, but it is pointed out that the NT saying appears to be the Golden Rule as expressed by the Pharisee Hillel, before Jesus' time. And other versions of the Golden Rule have been arrived at in other earlier societies.

It is in fact a common human conclusion reflecting the ethical principle of reciprocity upon which human society (in a workable form) is based.
This was one of the frequent themes of a package of 'thoughts for the day' that I bought for my school to use at the end of the morning announcements. The 'thoughts' lasted about a minute and were typically uplifting or anti-bullying, etc. But the ones about the golden rule as a basis for living in MANY foreign cultures was one of the themes that I found most interesting.
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:47 AM
 
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I guess the millions of Christians being persecuted today just brought it upon themselves, right?

This confirms in my heart that the atrocities you speak of came from the desires of people more like yourself, rather than any believers.
It is difficult for christians when they are not the controlling factor of a culture, isn't it.

Now if they could see that for cultures where they do predominate they would have learned something very valuable.
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:49 AM
 
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That is a reasonable thought. However religion has also been the source for wickedness and reckless evil visited on people, men, women and children in its name both in the east and west. Which religion is the source of the idea of equality of all men and women? of Human Rights? the answer is none, not a single one. the fact that we still struggle with application of the concept shows the pernicious effect religious codes in our psyche.
for once we're in agreement
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:51 AM
 
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We never burned witches here. That was a European Christian thing.
No, but what happened in Salem still wasn't pretty.
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:51 AM
 
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It is difficult for christians when they are not the controlling factor of a culture, isn't it.

Now if they could see that for cultures where they do predominate they would have learned something very valuable.
Why does it seem as if you approve of persecution?
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:55 AM
 
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Why does it seem as if you approve of persecution?
No. What I am acknowledging is karma.

The persecution that christians suffer is no worse than the persecution christians have caused.
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Old 11-29-2020, 10:09 AM
 
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Judeo-Christian theology is and should be the basis for all secular laws in western societies.
Judeo-Christian is actually Judeo-Hellenism, as that is what Christianity is. And the basis for many secular laws can be found in ancient Greece philosophy, not theology.

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I would go so far as to say all true morality comes from Judeo-Christian foundations. Many disagree with me.
Morality comes from people, and is adopted by religions.
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