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Old 11-27-2020, 09:31 AM
 
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This particular issue invades most of the threads and posts as a generic underlying motive for the promotion of atheism or antireligion. This just muddles the threads and renders objective consideration of the merits of religious beliefs in God. I agree with the desire to eliminate religious beliefs as the source of secular laws. Any such laws need to have a legitimate societal motive unrelated to any particular religious beliefs in God. This is just sensible because there are too many diverse religious beliefs to reconcile across society. Imposing religious beliefs is anathema to a society based on freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Religious beliefs are and should remain between each individual and God. Secular laws must be applicable to all members of the society to promote and maintain social order, period.

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Old 11-27-2020, 09:36 AM
 
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I'm not aware of anyone that is lobbying for a theocracy in line with imposing OT religious law. Who is doing that?
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:59 AM
 
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This particular issue invades most of the threads and posts as a generic underlying motive for the promotion of atheism or antireligion. This just muddles the threads and renders objective consideration of the merits of religious beliefs in God. I agree with the desire to eliminate religious beliefs as the source of secular laws. Any such laws need to have a legitimate societal motive unrelated to any particular religious beliefs in God. This is just sensible because there are too many diverse religious beliefs to reconcile across society. Imposing religious beliefs is anathema to a society based on freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Religious beliefs are and should remain between each individual and God. Secular laws must be applicable to all members of the society to promote and maintain social order, period.

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Unless everyone is singing off of the same page, I agree with you and I’m sure our founding fathers had that thought in mind...
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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I'm not aware of anyone that is lobbying for a theocracy in line with imposing OT religious law. Who is doing that?
Sharia?...
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:01 AM
 
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This particular issue invades most of the threads and posts as a generic underlying motive for the promotion of atheism or antireligion.
If Mohammed will not come to the mountain, the mountain must come to him. And anti-theism etc. is dependent upon theism. Part of the problem is attempting to filibuster until one adult accepts the other adult's position.

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This just muddles the threads and renders objective consideration of the merits of religious beliefs in God.
What if that's the goal?

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I agree with the desire to eliminate religious beliefs as the source of secular laws. Any such laws need to have a legitimate societal motive unrelated to any particular religious beliefs in God.
That's what's so baffling. Why not take your gripes to legislature instead of trying to guilt others on a public discussion form.
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This is just sensible because there are too many diverse religious beliefs to reconcile across society.
Yes. And trying to shame them into silence is the opposite of diversity.

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Imposing religious beliefs is anathema to a society based on freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
I think people know this. It is the remaining freedoms people have in their domiciles that worries some.

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Religious beliefs are and should remain between each individual and God.
True. And just because someone wants to share their belief doesn't mean anyone has to believe that individual or adhere to that individuals belief/tenets.

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Secular laws must be applicable to all members of the society to promote and maintain social order, period.

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Of course, unless you have dual citizenship, just kidding.
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:19 AM
 
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This particular issue invades most of the threads and posts as a generic underlying motive for the promotion of atheism or antireligion. This just muddles the threads and renders objective consideration of the merits of religious beliefs in God. I agree with the desire to eliminate religious beliefs as the source of secular laws. Any such laws need to have a legitimate societal motive unrelated to any particular religious beliefs in God. This is just sensible because there are too many diverse religious beliefs to reconcile across society. Imposing religious beliefs is anathema to a society based on freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Religious beliefs are and should remain between each individual and God. Secular laws must be applicable to all members of the society to promote and maintain social order, period.

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Yes, absolutely.
If we all understand this, atheism too will be a personal belief. It will have no other purpose as such.
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:20 AM
 
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Sharia?...
Who exactly is asking for that?
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:23 AM
 
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I'm not aware of anyone that is lobbying for a theocracy in line with imposing OT religious law. Who is doing that?

Sure there is. The fact that the governor of state cannot ban 1000 people gathering for religious purpose in the pandemic, is not exactly secular.
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:25 AM
 
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Sharia?...
Sharia Law is not the OT Mosaic Law. But yes, there are pockets in a few cities with people advocating for it. Dearborn, MI comes to mind.
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:27 AM
 
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Sure there is. The fact that the governor of state cannot ban 1000 people gathering for religious purpose in the pandemic, is not exactly secular.
So you believe that the 1st Amendment is theocratic in nature? Really? No one is telling us we have to attend worship.
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