What is wrong with religious leadership? (American, about, mission, examples)
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Wait....you calling people sinners? Didn't you get ticked off when I said people sin?
Is it maybe that they don't really believe but they just go through the motions?
1. I'm trying -- in this discussion -- to follow your lead.
2. Okay, so these repeat sinners (and I'm not talking about the guy who's slowly making progress) who -- according to you "don't really believe" and are just going "through the motions"...how does that affect the christian belief that your numbers is one of the things that mark the "rightness" of christian belief? Maybe the numbers don't stack up like y'all say they do.
1. I'm trying -- in this discussion -- to follow your lead.
2. Okay, so these repeat sinners (and I'm not talking about the guy who's slowly making progress) who -- according to you "don't really believe" and are just going "through the motions"...how does that affect the christian belief that your numbers is one of the things that mark the "rightness" of christian belief? Maybe the numbers don't stack up like y'all say they do.
I'm sorry. Not sure what you mean by "numbers". Could you explain?
My point though, is that I think we need to make a distinction between a "cultural Christian" and a Christian who actually believes. There is a difference between the Christian who came to Christ in a conversion moment and the guy that was simply born into a church-going family.
I'm sorry. Not sure what you mean by "numbers". Could you explain?
My point though, is that I think we need to make a distinction between a "cultural Christian" and a Christian who actually believes. There is a difference between the Christian who came to Christ in a conversion moment and the guy that was simply born into a church-going family.
There's also a difference between intelligent, educated, mature Christians and fundies.
I'm sorry. Not sure what you mean by "numbers". Could you explain?
My point though, is that I think we need to make a distinction between a "cultural Christian" and a Christian who actually believes. There is a difference between the Christian who came to Christ in a conversion moment and the guy that was simply born into a church-going family.
And this gets back to my point, which I will re-explain.
It has been said, including right here on this forum, that christianity must be "right" because there are so many believers. But if many christians are actually "cultural christians", then that argument falls apart. And it's actually what I have long thought to be true. What I saw in my life -- on both my mother's side and father's side -- were what you're calling "cultural christians" who would say they believed in god, and many of whom would go to church regularly, but in truth had little real belief beyond mere habit.
And this gets back to my point, which I will re-explain.
It has been said, including right here on this forum, that christianity must be "right" because there are so many believers.
Not sure who is making that argument. I'm certainly not.
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But if many christians are actually "cultural christians", then that argument falls apart. And it's actually what I have long thought to be true. What I saw in my life -- on both my mother's side and father's side -- were what you're calling "cultural christians" who would say they believed in god, and many of whom would go to church regularly, but in truth had little real belief beyond mere habit.
Church leaders, or are they the fake 'weed/tares' Christians that Jesus warned us against at Matthew 13:24-30.
If they were following Scripture that would Not be happening according to 1st Corinthians 5:9-13.
Remember: we are forewarned that MANY would come in Jesus' name proving false - Matthew 7:21-23.
Consider this too: People who died 'before' Jesus never had the opportunity to believe in Jesus or his teachings- John 3:13
They will have that future opportunity on Resurrection Day (meaning Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth).
For ' there is going to be ' a resurrection of the just and unjust - Acts 24:15.
Right now, the international proclaiming about God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is showing a separating of people.
During the coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37 Jesus will do the judging.
SO because a church leader sinned they automatically are considered fake? They cannot be forgiving and redeem their life? Whatever happened to 1 John 1:9? “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
Pretty odd to me that you think that's a fact. No wonder you are mystified!
Hehe according to the Bible it is
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No wonder you are mystified!
