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The time to believe something is when we have strong evidence to demonstrate it. Once that is done, we do in fact have knowledge. And while not perfect or infallible, IT IS RELIABLE and PREDICTABLE. Faith is none of those things, or anything else, because ANY CLAIM can be arrived at by faith. Literally-Any-Claim. With ZERO reliability and ZERO demonstrability.
lets just cut through the philosophy ... you have great theology, now lets test it out. what matches what we see going on around us better. in terms of a soul.
deity
we see only 5% of what people are.
living system
non living system
deny everything
activism means we need to deny everything.
woo science
faith
atheist have the most logical answers
atheism is a reaction to religion.
add any others.
Put them in order of uncertainty and briefly describe the reason you choose the weights you did and how it relates to the others.
Why is it that you credit a spectrum of probability to your faith in your preferred beliefs from science but pretend that there is no such probability applicable to other beliefs held by faith? Apparently, you see all faiths except yours as identical and devoid of evidence which is preposterously ignorant. My belief is that God is our Supreme and Ultimate Reality based on personal experiences and extrapolations from science. My faith is born of the consistency between my extrapolations of the science, the spiritual fossil record, and my personal experiences. Pretending my faith has zero evidence and no good or rational reason to believe is just ignorant hubris.
I’m not pretending your faith has zero evidence, I am stating it as a plain fact. Personal experience is meaningless garbage. It has no explanatory power. It can be anything from delusion to some semblance of reality or anything in between. I give your personal experience zero weight. “Extrapolation” of science means pulling something out of your rectum. Again any assertion can be justified with an arbitrary proclamation that it is based on a personal “extrapolation” of science. Same as faith. Any claim can be based on faith. It is a meaningless basis to formulate a rational conclusion.
Observation, logic, and reason offer the most reliable path to knowledge. Faith is a non sequitur to achieving knowledge. The scientific method is the beginning, middle, and end of knowledge acquisition. And look how you threw out a phrase like “spiritual fossil record”. Again trying to gain secondhand legitimacy for useless faith by trying to associate it with a legitimate scientific technique (fossil record). Same technique as creationism. Make faith “sciencey” by garnishing it with pseudoscientific terminology.
Unfortunately, that is nothing more than lipstick on a pig, and not a particularly attractive pig to boot. Until you can demonstrate your claims with hard and strong scientifically acquired evidence, you have zero, zilch, nada. I reject personal experience, and I reject so-called scientific “extrapolation”.
There is only one supreme being of your life, and that is little old you. There is nothing more, nothing else, nothing bigger, nothing more powerful, and nothing in charge, or offering guidance. The meaning and purpose for your life comes 100% from you. And when you die, all of that, and all of you, ceases to exist and is gone forever.
lets just cut through the philosophy ... you have great theology, now lets test it out. what matches what we see going on around us better. in terms of a soul.
deity
we see only 5% of what people are.
living system
non living system
deny everything
activism means we need to deny everything.
woo science
faith
atheist have the most logical answers
atheism is a reaction to religion.
add any others.
Put them in order of uncertainty and briefly describe the reason you choose the weights you did and how it relates to the others.
I’m teaching this class. Not you. You’ll do my homework, not the reverse. Dismissed.
The soul is the identity and the spirit the force that makes it a living soul, not the other way around...
These are arbitrary claims. They offer no evidence. Or even cogent definitions. This is an illustration of why terms like soul and spirit are useless. They can mean anything you want, and no one agrees as to exactly what is being referred to. It’s utter diffuse nonsense.
I’m not pretending your faith has zero evidence, I am stating it as a plain fact. Personal experience is meaningless garbage. It has no explanatory power. It can be anything from delusion to some semblance of reality or anything in between. I give your personal experience zero weight. “Extrapolation” of science means pulling something out of your rectum. Again any assertion can be justified with an arbitrary proclamation that it is based on a personal “extrapolation” of science. Same as faith. Any claim can be based on faith. It is a meaningless basis to formulate a rational conclusion.
Observation, logic, and reason offer the most reliable path to knowledge. Faith is a non sequitur to achieving knowledge. The scientific method is the beginning, middle, and end of knowledge acquisition. And look how you threw out a phrase like “spiritual fossil record”. Again trying to gain secondhand legitimacy for useless faith by trying to associate it with a legitimate scientific technique (fossil record). Same technique as creationism. Make faith “sciencey” by garnishing it with pseudoscientific terminology.
Unfortunately, that is nothing more than lipstick on a pig, and not a particularly attractive pig to boot. Until you can demonstrate your claims with hard and strong scientifically acquired evidence, you have zero, zilch, nada. I reject personal experience, and I reject so-called scientific “extrapolation”.
There is only one supreme being of your life, and that is little old you. There is nothing more, nothing else, nothing bigger, nothing more powerful, and nothing in charge, or offering guidance. The meaning and purpose for your life comes 100% from you. And when you die, all of that, and all of you, ceases to exist and is gone forever.
I had always thought that the expression "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." was unnecessary hyperbole. However, having encountered you and the certainty of your arrogance, I begin to see its applicability. I hope you are not finished with your education. You seem to be missing a lot of worldly experience and knowledge about our Reality.
These are arbitrary claims. They offer no evidence. Or even cogent definitions. This is an illustration of why terms like soul and spirit are useless. They can mean anything you want, and no one agrees as to exactly what is being referred to. It’s utter diffuse nonsense.
This is, after all, the R&S forum, so I am speaking from the standpoint of belief in such...Somehow the Greek influence of an eternal soul crept in, unawares...While the soul is not eternal, and without the spirit cannot be a living soul, it can become an immortal soul...
I had always thought that the expression "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." was unnecessary hyperbole. However, having encountered you and the certainty of your arrogance, I begin to see its applicability. I hope you are not finished with your education. You seem to be missing a lot of worldly experience and knowledge about our Reality.
These are arbitrary claims. They offer no evidence. Or even cogent definitions. This is an illustration of why terms like soul and spirit are useless. They can mean anything you want, and no one agrees as to exactly what is being referred to. It’s utter diffuse nonsense.
I find in Scripture soul and spirit are Not anything you want.
After God breathed the 'breath of life' into life-less Adam 'then' Adam became a living soul or person - Genesis 2:7
At death Adam became a dead soul, a life-less soul or person.
Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life - Genesis 3:19
A person can Not ' return' to a place he never was before. Adam returned to dust.
As with God's spirit (Psalms 104:30) our spirit is a neuter ' it ' and Nothing to do with being a spirit person (angel) - Job 33:4
And as at Ecclesiastes 12:7 B a neuter ' it ' .
This is, after all, the R&S forum, so I am speaking from the standpoint of belief in such...Somehow the Greek influence of an eternal soul crept in, unawares...While the soul is not eternal, and without the spirit cannot be a living soul, it can become an immortal soul...
Yes, but we haven’t even got a definition for a soul. While we know that there is no reason to believe in any form of immortality for any entity. So no, there is no such thing as an immortal soul. And you should refrain from believing in any such thing until strong evidence is presented to demonstrate its existence.
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