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You seem to forget that there is not a common belief among those 92%. Think I'm wrong? I suggest you go over to the mosque nearest you and start spreading your word.
That post shows that figures don't lie, liars figure. The common belief is that there is something more going on. People, because it is more scientifically valid and just makes sense, believe there is something more.
that's the common thread, that's is the most reliable starting point.
Starting with "nobody agrees" what that something is, although valid, doesn't address the fact that denying it, avoiding it, and stopping any discussions on what it may be is not the best we can do.
i'd say that 92% of the world population engaging with, identifying with, being part of, participating in, either as a group (religion) or on their own individually (prayer) indicates they know what is known, and recognize that which you do not.
Or I recognize cognitive bias and wishful thinking, and they do not.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
92% and growing is far greater in every way than 5% and shrinking (atheists).
that is a fact.
No, what they have in common is fear of dying, fear of losing their family relatives and friends to eternal nonexistence, and fear of not being able to determine a purpose for their lives. That is the universal, not the existence of a ghost.
Your obsessive projection of the fear motive to others reveals your strong denial and rejection of spiritual matters is more based on your own fears than objective reason.
Actually its you with the fear my man. Lets apply your theology to a real world example.
in terms of a soul, what is more logical.
we see only 5% of what we think we see in people. maybe its that 95% we don't see.
deny everything and claim logic is the answer
deny everything as say faith is not the answer.
what do we pick marcy?
Meaningless drivel. 5%? First of all, 5% of what? We see 100% of what we need to see in a person. What is this random assertion of 5%? Absurd.
This is consistent with your desperate attachment to the “something more” fallacy. There’s always an ineffable and invisible component that you imbue existence with.
Systems and conspiracies and unseen forces and unknowable influences. It’s disorganized mysticism. At least Christianity and Judaism and Islam came with their instruction manuals. A for effort to them, but you don’t want to bother. Perhaps because you want your claims and assertions to be unfalsifiable and without any responsibility at all for being true or real.
Your obsessive projection of the fear motive to others reveals your strong denial and rejection of spiritual matters is more based on your own fears than objective reason.
No, it’s just a simple observation of the motivating force behind mystical assertions. It’s not random stupidity, it has a definite rationale. And that rationale is primarily fear and discomfort and denial with respect to mortality. We just don’t want to believe or accept that those we love, and things we love, and the life we love, are without permanence, and are without intrinsic value. We bring the value and meaning to life. And if we don’t, our lives are without value and meaning. That’s a big responsibility, and most people don’t want it. So they offload it to a Jesus or a God or the Trees or Energy or, in your case, Quantum Field Theory.
No, it’s just a simple observation of the motivating force behind mystical assertions. It’s not random stupidity, it has a definite rationale. And that rationale is primarily fear and discomfort and denial with respect to mortality. We just don’t want to believe or accept that those we love, and things we love, and the life we love, are without permanence, and are without intrinsic value. We bring the value and meaning to life. And if we don’t, our lives are without value and meaning. That’s a big responsibility, and most people don’t want it. So they offload it to a Jesus or a God or the Trees or Energy or, in your case, Quantum Field Theory.
so "those we love are without intrinsic value" and "personal experience is meaningless garbage"
the atheist voice speaks. poster child.
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Meaningless drivel. 5%? First of all, 5% of what? We see 100% of what we need to see in a person. What is this random assertion of 5%? Absurd.
This is consistent with your desperate attachment to the “something more” fallacy. There’s always an ineffable and invisible component that you imbue existence with.
Systems and conspiracies and unseen forces and unknowable influences. It’s disorganized mysticism. At least Christianity and Judaism and Islam came with their instruction manuals. A for effort to them, but you don’t want to bother. Perhaps because you want your claims and assertions to be unfalsifiable and without any responsibility at all for being true or real.
yeah, I gotcha .. spacetime and qed is meaningless drivel to people too. Math and system engineering is pointless to most people.
good for you diesel ... an excellent example of a blind faith based atheist. The anti-religious crowd is going to love you.
That post shows that figures don't lie, liars figure. The common belief is that there is something more going on. People, because it is more scientifically valid and just makes sense, believe there is something more.
that's the common thread, that's is the most reliable starting point.
Starting with "nobody agrees" what that something is, although valid, doesn't address the fact that denying it, avoiding it, and stopping any discussions on what it may be is not the best we can do.
Nobody's stopping discussions of it. None of us -- except the mods -- have the ability to do that.
yeah, I gotcha .. spacetime and qed is meaningless drivel to people too. Math and system engineering is pointless to most people.
good for you diesel ... an excellent example of a blind faith based atheist. The anti-religious crowd is going to love you.
Those concepts are quite meaningless in the hands of Mysterians such as yourself who insist on mis-attaching them to non sequiturs. They have incredible value to scientists and other people who correctly perceive and process reality.
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