Evidence for soul and spirit (preach, planet, quote, faith)
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We are discussing the EVIDENCE for the soul or Spirit but they are in the unmeasurable part of our Reality which makes them problematic.
Assertion. Claim. You just literally stated as a fact the location of the “evidence” for a soul. Just like that. It is conveniently in the “unmeasurable” part of reality. As if such a place even exists.
But it does exist. Because we can just assert it and it will be fine. We can just claim things and state things.
So, presumably because you are unable to provide evidence for a soul, you are just going to arbitrarily assert that the evidence exists but is safely tucked away in an “unmeasurable” aisle in the reality big box store. It’s there, but the yellow tape has been deployed and the aisle is closed.
Ok, that was even worse. Boris doesn’t even know what in hell you just said. He’s asking Natasha...
Great example of faith vs observation based beliefs ...
The science points to 6 times more stuff around us than we see. How is that stuff interacting with us? Does the six times more stuff around influence us being alive? Maybe that is the soul they speak of.
what is reply to show that is wrong?
" ... Boris doesn’t even know what in hell you just said ..."
that's how you tell blind faith from observation base faith. The observations are never addressed sirectly, other than saying they are wrong, when faith base individuals are involved.
I agree to a small degree, but, nevertheless, it is a lie. Some people need lies - weak people.
I don't disagree with that. But that's why I think it's VERY important for people to be able to see the difference between faith and fact, and to accept that when it's faith it may not be real at all.
Lets cut through the manslpaining junk and get to actually comparing the claims. I say science says we are looking at 5% of the reality around us so I say maybe that 95% has something to do with the soul. what is your base claim? What is it based on? So we can have a look see if its mansplaining or just commonsense.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
i agree with you that science is only addressing 5% and has no tools to address the other 95%. And 5% is a very narrow range. therefore if someone uses only "science" as their sole source of knowledge and information, then they have a similarly narrow range.
"religion and spirituality" is a field or discipline or area of focus
which addresses the other 95% including yes the soul or spirit, and how it interacts with and affects and interfaces with the 5%.
if you use a "field of study" that by your own admission only deals with 5% and not the 95%,
then it is not an adequate tool to "actually compare the claims" and gauge that which is in the 95%.
because it can only address the 5%.
different tools are used to explore and understand and yes validate and verify the 95%, including yes the soul and spirit. those tools are individual participation. not scribbles on a piece of paper, not equations on a blackboard, not intellectual arguments. none of those lead to relationship with the divinity of our soul.
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 12-27-2020 at 11:26 AM..
"religion and spirituality" is a field or discipline or area of focus
which addresses the other 95% including yes the soul or spirit, and how it interacts with and affects and interfaces with the 5%.
if you use a "field of study" that by your own admission only deals with 5% and not the 95%,
then it is not an adequate tool to "compare the claims" and gauge that which is in the 95%.
Except that I reject your bald-faced assertion that religion and spirituality deal with 95% of anything. That's just an assertion on your part. It has no basis in reality. You can't just <<cut>> and present it as reality. Well, you can, and in fact you do, but that's not how evidence works.
Last edited by mensaguy; 12-27-2020 at 05:28 PM..
Reason: Behave yourself.
Not true. Dark energy is a proposal, not a fact. It is a model used to attempt to explain observed phenomena in the universe. It concludes nothing about “reality” at all. This is what happens when mystics and amateurs read about a scientific proposal in People Magazine.
<snipped for arrogance and self-righteous ignorance>
Get over yourself! Everything we know is fit into the well established Standard Model and our investigations proceed from there to hypothesize what is as yet unknown. The accelerating expansion of the spacetime unified field IS measurable. WHY it is expanding faster and faster is not. The integrity of the galaxies IS measurable. Why they are staying together is not. We are talking about actual measurable observations whose source is NOT directly measurable. For those less knowledgeable minds in Rio Linda, that means there is a significant composition of our Reality (95+%) that can NOT currently be measured by science so we do not know what the hell is or is not there!
Get over yourself! Everything we know is fit into the well established Standard Model and our investigations proceed from there to hypothesize what is as yet unknown. The accelerating expansion of the spacetime unified field IS measurable. WHY it is expanding faster and faster is not. The integrity of the galaxies IS measurable. Why they are staying together is not. We are talking about actual measurable observations whose source is NOT directly measurable. For those less knowledgeable minds in Rio Linda, that means there is a significant composition of our Reality (95+%) that can NOT currently be measured by science so we do not know what the hell is or is not there!
There is what we know, there is what we don't know. But everything exists and is knowable. 100% of existence exists independent of our observations and knowledge. Nothing is "unknowable". Nothing is outside of observation and measurement. Many things ARE beyond OUR capability to observe and measure AT THIS TIME and at our PRESENT level of ability.
But people like you conflate the unknown with something you pull out of your rectum and declare to be "unknowable". And in that self-created vacuum, you insert your silly mystical b.s. to allay your emotional fears and terror at being mortal and temporary and intrinsically insignificant. Not to mention being without any soul or spirit, since those terms are undefined and mean whatever people declare them to mean on any given day and in any temporary emotional state.
"religion and spirituality" is a field or discipline or area of focus
which addresses the other 95% including yes the soul or spirit, and how it interacts with and affects and interfaces with the 5%.
if you use a "field of study" that by your own admission only deals with 5% and not the 95%,
then it is not an adequate tool to "actually compare the claims" and gauge that which is in the 95%.
because it can only address the 5%.
different tools are used to explore and understand and yes validate and verify the 95%, including yes the soul and spirit. those tools are individual participation. not scribbles on a piece of paper, not equations on a blackboard, not intellectual arguments. none of those lead to relationship with the divinity of our soul.
Again, thats the point. I used what we do know to describe what we do not know. That being, since there is 95% of you that I do not see, but is there, that maybe that is the soul.
it is distinctly different than how you presented your claim.
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