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But you are no different. When despite the premise of this very thread, which specifically asks what spirituality means to you
yet you have constantly referred to 'atheists' throughout as though we all march to the same drum.
Anyway that's all an aside.
Ironic to have a thread about spirituality in which you seem to have a very negative take on others versions of it.
In all fairness the thread is not about what spirituality means to “you”. It is about what spirituality means to atheists. You were inviting other atheists to talk about their view of spirituality.
The reason that question even came up is the barrage, over the top, abundance of atheists’ opinions on all these forums about what it means to believers and why it is all woo because there is no, drumroll, EVIDENCE! So what do atheists think spirituality is? How would they even know if it smacks them in the face?
And thank you for those of you who have shared your view. The main difference in our perspectives is what you call spirituality comes from what is outside of you - the oceans and mountsins and streams and music.
The seekers idea of Spirituality is about SELF inquiry, of who you are, in your essence, and the connection to the eternal cosmos. Superficially it may seem similar, but fundamentally the focus for seekers is inward.
Thank you. I've been really interested reading your posts. I completely relate to what you wrote here from my own godless perspective Good to have you on the forum.
I probably can't spend too much more time on this thread as I'm going away tomorrow and need to leave early to get ahead of the weather.
I look forward to seeing more of your posts.
I can go along with all of that except the eternal part remains a mystery. How do you see the hurt that people cause each other? Where does that come from? Where do impulses come from that don't along from the divine?
It is a journey of self inquiry into eliminating what you are NOT, to come to understand what you ARE. Everything we identify as I is transient, subject to decay and death. When we examine we discover something that lasts. That is eternal. Again this is not the space to discuss anymore.
The hurt you talk about is due to ignorance our true nature and mis identifying ourselves with our body and mind, both of which create thoughts that you talked about that lead us astray, to act in a way harmful to ourselves. The impulse for it comes wrongful notions and we suffer the consequence. Which divinity tells you to harm yourself? WE are aspects of that divinity ourselves, we cannot hurt ourselves. Not if we understand.
It is a journey of self inquiry into eliminating what you are NOT, to come to understand what you ARE. Everything we identify as I is transient, subject to decay and death. When we examine we discover something that lasts. That is eternal. Again this is not the space to discuss anymore.
The hurt you talk about is due to ignorance our true nature and mis identifying ourselves with our body and mind, both of which create thoughts that you talked about that lead us astray, to act in a way harmful to ourselves. The impulse for it comes wrongful notions and we suffer the consequence. Which divinity tells you to harm yourself? WE are aspects of that divinity ourselves, we cannot hurt ourselves. Not if we understand.
Thanks for the explanation.
That sounds like duality to me again. I get the way we think of ourselves is an illusion but the mind and the body are part of who I am at this moment be it transient or not. To label those notions are "wrongful" is part of the problem IMO.
So I was trying to think of some things I'm not. I am not my thoughts. I am not my actions.
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That sounds like duality to me again. I get the way we think of ourselves is an illusion but the mind and the body are part of who I am at this moment be it transient or not. To label those notions are "wrongful" is part of the problem IMO.
So I was trying to think of some things I'm not. I am not my thoughts. I am not my actions.
You don't have to be defined by an action,
That is atonement.
If the actions are repeated
they may just
define you.
stating the divine is only good means the observer is not seeing. Saying the divine is defined by evil is what exactly?
You don't have to be defined by an action, That is atonement. If the actions are repeated they may just define you. stating the divine is only good means the observer is not seeing. Saying the divine is defined by evil is what exactly?
claiming to know what another sees is an example of folly.
you can see what you see. you can not know what another sees.
claiming to know what another sees is an example of folly.
you can see what you see. you can not know what another sees.
sez the woman who claims to know what atheists can and cannot experience.
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