Spirituality and Atheism. What does it mean to you? (holidays, woman, history)

[cb2008]

Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8

Thanks for the explanation.

That sounds like duality to me again. I get the way we think of ourselves is an illusion but the mind and the body are part of who I am at this moment be it transient or not. To label those notions are "wrongful" is part of the problem IMO.

So I was trying to think of some things I'm not. I am not my thoughts. I am not my actions.

Interesting. Why not?

[L8Gr8Apost8]

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

You don't have to be defined by an action,
That is atonement.
If the actions are repeated
they may just
define you.

stating the divine is only good means the observer is not seeing. Saying the divine is defined by evil is what exactly?

I think you are correct. That's the part I'm still trying to work out.

Originally Posted by cb2008

Interesting. Why not?

For the same reasons I'm not my thoughts. It's mostly programming. It's mostly reactions.

[L8Gr8Apost8]

Do you see yourself as the observer AA?

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8

Do you see yourself as the observer AA?

More of a dork whole really.

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel

claiming to know what another sees is an example of folly.
you can see what you see. you can not know what another sees.

yeah, I know, nobody is this, nobody sees that, anybody that says anything certain is the other thing. Science deals in uncertainty and doubt. It aint perfect but its the best we have. Those that need to avoid it are hiding something or deceiving people.

Plain and simple.

that's what jesus meant by the way is through me.

[cb2008]

Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8

For the same reasons I'm not my thoughts. It's mostly programming. It's mostly reactions.

Unless we exert control mindfully thoughts are constant, it is like breathing. Except in deep sleep we always have thought, both when awake and in dream. Dreaming we are superman does not make us one.
Actions do not happen unless we act. Actions are not us, first of all they are verbs, not nouns. But we most certainly own the consequences of our acts, and we are always in control of our actions, and inaction. I am not sure what that means to say you are not your actions.

[L8Gr8Apost8]

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

More of a dork whole really.

Kinky. I think the observer or the narrator is a step in the right direction.

[Tzaphkiel]

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

yeah, I know, nobody is this, nobody sees that, anybody that says anything certain is the other thing. Science deals in uncertainty and doubt. It aint perfect but its the best we have. Those that need to avoid it are hiding something or deceiving people. Plain and simple. that's what jesus meant by the way is through me.

i was thinking more like person A sees a "bum in the gutter," person B sees them as "someone with dignity radiating light." with regards to earlier comment made that those who only see good are not seeing.

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

You don't have to be defined by an action,
That is atonement. If the actions are repeated they may just define you.
stating the divine is only good means the observer is not seeing. Saying the divine is defined by evil is what exactly?

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel

i was thinking more like person A sees a "bum in the gutter," person B sees "someone with dignity radiating light."

and some see both of those as binary thinkers.

but either way, you didn't address the actual point.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel

claiming to know what another sees is an example of folly.
you can see what you see. you can not know what another sees.

In the past 2 days you've written a number of posts where you tell us what atheists see.