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No, no, no, Arach. Let's not get off point. The fact that God is omni-powered also means that He has omni-knowledge. Just because He has the power to do something doesn't mean that He's "stupid" NOT do to do it.
Obviously, He has much, much MORE knowledge that WE do...which is WHY He hasn't done what "we" think He "should" have done.
I think this is a half truth. The universe is clearly processing far more "data" than we can. In fact, it quantum computed us. If he has omni power, meaning he can change it at a snap of a finger, then he could do things to change without the suffering we see. A thing that loves far more than we know and has power to do anything it wants can do little things to prevent mass suffering.
So, I think its about the traits you give the thing more than if it is there or not. The science clearly shows we are part of a larger more complex that may very well be alive (its at least very plausible). But it also looks like it can't do anything other than we see it doing for now.
Heck, maybe it made us left. Would that be something it coming back and saying "sorry guys, I got tied up.
Phet and others seem to believe that God is some kind of "tyrant" for ordering others to kill "innocent" life. Yet, I asked the question(paraphrasing) "Was it o.k. for the US government--a.k.a. the President of the US to drop the bomb on Hiroshima, and also killing a number of innocent Japanese children? So far, phet said it wasn't "logical". Yet, it was done.
And does phet and/or others think it was so terrible, so awful so murderous, that phet and others should have moved away from the US? That phet should distance himself from the US for its decision?
Seems to me, that since phet has worked and lived in the US since the bombing, even though he didn't necessarily agree with the bombing, or find it "logical", that it would be "logical" for phet to have nothing to do with the US, just as phet proclaims that we Christians should have nothing to do with a God who ordered the slaying of a number of people during WAR.
Sorry, phet. But your "logic" escapes me, and your hypocrisy is obvious.
It makes no sense to condemn God during a time of war, yet absolve a country during war that commits the same "crimes".
yes, the tyrant angle is less valid. Its really just a weaponized version of a good god to hit people with.
But the simple fact remains that an all powerful loving thing can do it with far less suffering. Do little things at the right time to keep the suffering down. Like when that Chinese person let out corona, The vile, or whatever, just happened not to break. The persons says to themselves, :"I cen't believe that thing didn't break."
I posted this several hours and several pages ago. It's the 2nd time in my 20-ish years navigating the interwebs that I have re-posted my own words.
I find it fascinating to see who is hiding, who is probably taking notes for his next attack from the rear, and who simply doesn't have the balls to reply.
Just saw your post Trout.
The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed, in other words, what is written in the Old Testament is revealed to us in the New Testament. Much to be said about that but not here!
Seems to me Trout you have had a bad experience along the way that's left you bitter inside toward God.
It saddens me to perceive this from your post. I can only tell you that although you may have been bruised along the way, God is the healer of the heart and soul and will release you from that prison.
I've been praying for you my friend as I have mentioned to you before, and I will continue to pray that God will prevail in your life.
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The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed, in other words, what is written in the Old Testament is revealed to us in the New Testament. Much to be said about that but not here!
Seems to me Trout you have had a bad experience along the way that's left you bitter inside toward God.
It saddens me to perceive this from your post. I can only tell you that although you may have been bruised along the way, God is the healer of the heart and soul and will release you from that prison.
I've been praying for you my friend as I have mentioned to you before, and I will continue to pray that God will prevail in your life.
Diesel, I understand your point. As a human, all the things you listed are hard for us to understand, and at times, to bear. But the Universe wasn't created for our validation or pleasure. We have to accept the world as God created it.. willingly or defiantly. But we all live in the world as it is.. To dismiss (the Biblical) God as a failure I think is a self-interested, myopic (but sympathetically human) view..
Ps- just a philosophic point, why is it a fail if God changes course (?) The Bible explains why God has altered covenants etc, and it's usually human failure. And suggesting that taking 6 days to spawn Creation is a fail, that's a pretty exacting standard for defining successes vs failures. peace
The reason why these things are a failure is not because of our understanding of God but what the Bible describes God as, all powerful, all knowing and all loving.
Let me give you a perfect example. If he is all knowing, why did he ask Adam where he was and whether he had eaten fruit in Genesis? There are many head scratching verses in the Bible like this that put into question a supposed all knowing God.
Sounds like you are pulling the same card on god as they do in politics -anything wrong
He did
If I Cross the light on the red and get hit did god strike me down ?
Somehow along the road I got to stop blaming everybody else especially god for my bad moves
That's not what He told me in His Word. Of course you don't believe, but the scripture says The Holy Spirit wrote the scripture through Godly men of old. I don't expect you to believe that, I expect you to laugh.
The God who created all things has the power to get exactly what He wants His Word to say. The scripture says that He places His Word above His very name.
But this is nonsense to you, and I expect that.
Well then our Gods are at odds because my God tell me different.
I'm not laughing at all, I'm using simple reason based on history. Scripture was passed down orally for decades by illeratate Aramaic speakers then translated and written down in ancient Greek, then translated again in English for us to read. Now tell me if the holy spirit wrote the scripture through Godly men why was it passed down orally for decades? How did the holy spirit work through the Godly men of old if they died? Did the holy spirit somehow jump from man to man for decades?
THERE IS NO DANG DEFAULT BELIEF! We do not have a clue WHAT our Reality IS or IS NOT, period. That is known as its ontology. Science does NOT and can NOT answer what it IS or IS NOT only how it operates. There is no question about EXISTENCE since it exists, we just cannot know what it is or is not but you atheists want to demand we assume it is not God.
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