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Old 01-30-2021, 02:53 PM
 
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We like to watch the Nature Channel here, and many of those programs that do an amazing job of "gushing" over nature. I'm guessing you might find those shows boring like lots of people do...
yup, you read me like a book. I been watching them since mutual of Omaha' wild kingdom. And yes, Attenborough definitely gushes a little more than I like sometimes. Love planet Earth. But they do show "alive" fits like a glove. Engineering wise anyway.
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Old 01-30-2021, 05:33 PM
 
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How can what you bold Not[b] be taken both ways? Yes you should not tell someone they need religion, spirituality or to not believe or tell someone they need to have any of those.

No idea what the gold that cannot be defined means. I don't know this Advaita tradition you seem to often bring up.

I have a different view of what spirituality means to me than you seem to have. Nothing wrong with that is it?

Advaita is a Hindu school of thought that says everything in the universe is merely little bits of the ultimate source , Brahman (not to be confused with Brahma , which is a mortal male creator god in the Hindu pantheon). And a breed of cattle. And no, the ultimate source of all is not a bull . Brahman is not even worshipped in Hinduism because it is more of a state than a being. Taken to bare bones, Advaita teaches that we are all just the ultimate source (Brahman) existing and experiencing existence through everything. Including rocks, space dust,and black holes. Brahman is sort of a Big Bang concept of theology

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Old 01-30-2021, 05:46 PM
 
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I don't use live bait and release 95% of the fish I catch unharmed. The few I keep, I kill within seconds of landing, quickly and painlessly, and with thanks.

You may now return to your high horse.

I use live bait on bluegills, worms and crickets. I'll flog myself later Lures on bass , because I am usually too lazy to drive for minnows, which they do hit better.

Judging from your name I guess those are your preferred target. Unfortunately the closet trout fishing to me is Broken Bow about 3 hrs away.

You ever use a Tenkara rod?
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Old 01-30-2021, 05:49 PM
 
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Again thanks for the effort, and the analogies...

I've got a few real-life stories I could tell about that sense of thinking, believing and/or wanting "something more." Much of that sort of feeling pushed me through many a change during my career, different women, different places to live. Again I get it, as now I am very happily married with the same woman after over 30 years. Two wonderful kids who have grown to be good self-supporting people. Also happily retired, here by the ocean that has also always lured me toward where I felt I would enjoy the most fulfillment possible.

If in nature, or wherever else, you or anyone else senses there must be "something more," then I surely don't blame you or anyone else for searching or discovering what that something more might be, but I'm not sure your analogies work all that well for me. They do describe cases of thinking maybe "the grass is greener on the other side," and again I get all that. The analogy or example I'm more inclined to think better applies here is the person who has everything and is still not satisfied. Somehow not satisfied that "enough is as good as a feast."

If and when I sense I'm missing something or there is "something more" to be had worth pursuing, I've always done my best to "make the most out of life," to "live life to the fullest." For me that also involves good judgement with respect to what else may be out there as compared to recognizing this is as good as it gets. I've got no reasons to believe there is more, in large part because I feel very fortunate my life has turned out to be an experience better than I deserve. Not needing to search for anything more is something of a peaceful, satisfying, way to live as well.

So here's to your search and thanks for sharing. I've got nothing more than however best I can think to spend the day, and I'm not needing to go much further than where I am, physically or mentally. Spirituality is simply not something I recognize as real and not something I feel any need to pursue, so I leave that sort of effort or search to others. Happily so.

All is well. I am not selling anything, just answering questions about why I'm not an atheist . Maybe all this helps explain.
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Old 01-30-2021, 05:58 PM
 
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I use live bait on bluegills, worms and crickets. I'll flog myself later Lures on bass , because I am usually too lazy to drive for minnows, which they do hit better.

Judging from your name I guess those are your preferred target. Unfortunately the closet trout fishing to me is Broken Bow about 3 hrs away.

You ever use a Tenkara rod?
I'll DM you sometime. Kinda off topic.

And/or we could talk fishing in the Pagan forum on the Chat About Anything thread. (I only gave up the live bait three years ago. Lindy-rigged floating crawlers were/are the best walleye bait ever. But I finally decided worms are people too.)
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Old 01-30-2021, 09:44 PM
 
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Advaita is a Hindu school of thought that says everything in the universe is merely little bits of the ultimate source , Brahman (not to be confused with Brahma , which is a mortal male creator god in the Hindu pantheon). And a breed of cattle. And no, the ultimate source of all is not a bull . Brahman is not even worshipped in Hinduism because it is more of a state than a being. Taken to bare bones, Advaita teaches that we are all just the ultimate source (Brahman) existing and experiencing existence through everything. Including rocks, space dust,and black holes. Brahman is sort of a Big Bang concept of theology
Most of the Brahma I am aware of our in the rodeos. They certainly cam buck and chase rodeo bull fighter (clowns)

Thanks for the info
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Old 01-30-2021, 10:09 PM
 
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Most of the Brahma I am aware of our in the rodeos. They certainly cam buck and chase rodeo bull fighter (clowns)

Thanks for the info


Yeah, but you have to add the "n". Makes a big difference.

Brahman https://hinduwebsite.com/brahman.asp




Brahma (besides the bull) https://www.learnreligions.com/lord-...eation-1770300
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Old 01-31-2021, 04:19 AM
 
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Advaita is a Hindu school of thought that says everything in the universe is merely little bits of the ultimate source , Brahman (not to be confused with Brahma , which is a mortal male creator god in the Hindu pantheon). And a breed of cattle. And no, the ultimate source of all is not a bull . Brahman is not even worshipped in Hinduism because it is more of a state than a being. Taken to bare bones, Advaita teaches that we are all just the ultimate source (Brahman) existing and experiencing existence through everything. Including rocks, space dust,and black holes. Brahman is sort of a Big Bang concept of theology
It fits "alive". They didn't know it back then, but that's what it fits. Much like "you" are the source of a blood cell in you.
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Old 01-31-2021, 04:26 AM
 
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Would be great if next to everyone's moniker there was a number indicating their ranking with respect to what extent they are victim of confirmation bias. From 0 = completely open to contrary opinion without any bias of any kind to 10 = utterly closed-minded about any opinion contrary to theirs.
Yuppers. The scientific method is directly based on "confirmation bias". Its calls mechanisms and repeatable predictions.

That's why I always go to real time examples. What are people actually claiming and doing to maintain their belief. List the kinds of things they say and do when serous challenges come up. Saying we need to be careful in confirmation bias sounds great and all, but when we apply it to testing and retesting, which we can, thats when we need to have a sit down.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:39 AM
 
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It fits "alive". They didn't know it back then, but that's what it fits. Much like "you" are the source of a blood cell in you.
Confirmation bias - the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
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