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It is a moral as well and practical and logical conclusion based on a personal preference that we as a species have. What more could you want as a basis, never mind that a god saying so would be no more than opinion without validation?
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
Ok. I'm done. let me know when you wish to have an honest discussion. I just haven't seen that from you. You have rejected the very simple question that I've asked and you keep changing the topic.
Hilarious. You're the one that keeps hopping from one apologetic to the other. I answer, you reject the answer, including the 'very simple' one you asked and now you are doing a Flounce. I'm surprised that you caved in and ran away so quickly in fact.
It is a moral as well and practical and logical conclusion based on a personal preference that we as a species have. What more could you want as a basis, never mind that a god saying so would be no more than opinion without validation?
Ultimately, it's an opinion. THat's the best that anyone has given -- an OPINION of what morality is. Ultimately, opinions are not authoritative. So again, if it's an OPINION you're basing your morality on, then murder cannot be declared "wrong". The best you got is to say you don't like it.
He allowed it for a time. He never said it was good. And he gave the allowance to Israel. We are not Israel.
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
If it wasn't good, he should have said so. He should have told the religious leaders in the Confederacy too.
A thought crosses my mind - why should a God who allows his son to suffer tortuous death on the cross for a time (a weekend on the cross would have seemed like an eternity), not allow slavery and the suffering that would often have gone with it, for a time too? Like a few thousand years worth.
A thought crosses my mind - why should a God who allows his son to suffer tortuous death on the cross for a time (a weekend on the cross would have seemed like an eternity), not allow slavery and the suffering that would often have gone with it, for a time too? Like a few thousand years worth.
It is not a thought that hasn't crossed the mind of the doubting believer that it makes more sense if their god is a bit of a bad lot.
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
Ultimately, it's an opinion. THat's the best that anyone has given -- an OPINION of what morality is. Ultimately, opinions are not authoritative. So again, if it's an OPINION you're basing your morality on, then murder cannot be declared "wrong". The best you got is to say you don't like it.
You are ignoring the instinct and the logic behind the individual well being extended to to the family, tribe, nation and then to everyone.
If you can't see that how that's better and more valid than the say so of a Being (if it even exists) then there is no point in discussing with you.
Ultimately, it's an opinion. THat's the best that anyone has given -- an OPINION of what morality is. Ultimately, opinions are not authoritative. So again, if it's an OPINION you're basing your morality on, then murder cannot be declared "wrong". The best you got is to say you don't like it.
I don't recall God ever declaring murder wrong. It would in any case be just his opinion.
I don't recall God ever declaring murder wrong. It would in any case be just his opinion.
10 Commandments.
And yes--it's his opinion. But since all morality is based on his character -- his opinions -- since he CREATED the universe, it's a big deal. We can know that it's wrong because he said it is. He then also wrote it on our hearts, referred to by some her as the "Natural Law", and it's what Paul stated in Romans 1. We know it's wrong. Many simply suppress the knowledge of it, and other things he's commanded, but we know it's wrong.
Ultimately, it's an opinion. THat's the best that anyone has given -- an OPINION of what morality is. Ultimately, opinions are not authoritative. So again, if it's an OPINION you're basing your morality on, then murder cannot be declared "wrong". The best you got is to say you don't like it.
So there is no authority when it comes to morality by your definition.
And yes--it's his opinion. But since all morality is based on his character -- his opinions -- since he CREATED the universe, it's a big deal. We can know that it's wrong because he said it is. He then also wrote it on our hearts, referred to by some her as the "Natural Law", and it's what Paul stated in Romans 1. We know it's wrong. Many simply suppress the knowledge of it, and other things he's commanded, but we know it's wrong.
No, all morality is not based on his character or his opinions. That's your opinion, not fact. That your bible God created the universe, again, opinion. Yours. And others too, but opinions, nonetheless.
I know your bottom line is if it's in the bible, it's fact. But it's not. And from what I see of the God of the bible in many instances, I would say he himself has a morality issue.
No, all morality is not based on his character or his opinions. That's your opinion, not fact. That your bible God created the universe, again, opinion. Yours. And others too, but opinions, nonetheless.
I know your bottom line is if it's in the bible, it's fact. But it's not. And from what I see of the God of the bible in many instances, I would say he himself has a morality issue.
So what is the standard for morality? If you believe murder to be always wrong, then what is the standard that declares it so. I'll be waiting.
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Hilarious. You're the one that keeps hopping from one apologetic to the other. I answer, you reject the answer, including the 'very simple' one you asked and now you are doing a Flounce. I'm surprised that you caved in and ran away so quickly in fact.
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