THIS is what the hell is being talked about re God consciousness
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You know the difference between possession of a faculty and the experience of whatever that faculty provides, so stop this stupid and childish game in support of your insupportable atheist default nonsense. For any and all practical purposes, there IS a God for all of us and it is whatever you prefer to call Reality, period, your beef with the ad populum nonsense about it notwithstanding.
So no rational argument, just repeating one of your usual mantras?
So no rational argument, just repeating one of your usual mantras?
Instead of repeating your unsupported assertions about rationality, why don't you point out exactly what was irrational about my post. At least that would avoid the "Nuh uh, Yeah Uh, Nuh uh" stupidity.
Instead of repeating your unsupported assertions about rationality, why don't you point out exactly what was irrational about my post (emphasis added). At least that would avoid the "Nuh uh, Yeah Uh, Nuh uh" stupidity.
EVERYTHING! They are the very definition of rationality. You had a flash back or a bad trip or whatever and all of the sudden you are fountain of wisdom on all things spiritual. No, Mystic, you just had a bad trip.
Instead of repeating your unsupported assertions about rationality, why don't you point out exactly what was irrational about my post. At least that would avoid the "Nuh uh, Yeah Uh, Nuh uh" stupidity.
Again? OK
"You know the difference between possession of a faculty and the experience of whatever that faculty provides, ..." - another irrelevant lecture.
"... so stop this stupid and childish game in support of your insupportable atheist default nonsense." - another irrelevant straw man of my actual argument (and reality).
"For any and all practical purposes, there IS a God for all of us and it is whatever you prefer to call Reality, period, ..." - meaningless question begging.
"... your beef with the ad populum nonsense about it notwithstanding". - irrelevant to the problem with your hypothesis.
Instead of repeating your unsupported assertions about rationality, why don't you point out exactly what was irrational about my post. At least that would avoid the "Nuh uh, Yeah Uh, Nuh uh" stupidity.
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes
Again? OK
"You know the difference between possession of a faculty and the experience of whatever that faculty provides, ..." - another irrelevant lecture.
"... so stop this stupid and childish game in support of your insupportable atheist default nonsense." - another irrelevant straw man of my actual argument (and reality).
"For any and all practical purposes, there IS a God for all of us and it is whatever you prefer to call Reality, period, ..." - meaningless question-begging.
"... your beef with the ad populum nonsense about it notwithstanding". - irrelevant to the problem with your hypothesis.
None of that is IRRATIONAL. You do not like it, but it is perfectly rational. The irrelevant lecture is because you seem unaware that the EXPERIENCER of the faculties that comprise an entity determines the locus of what the component faculties provide. Ignoring this, or pretending it is irrelevant, does not constitute rational rebuttal. Our respective beliefs about Reality are BOTH question-begging assertions, period.
None of that is IRRATIONAL. You do not like it, but it is perfectly rational. The irrelevant lecture is because you seem unaware that the EXPERIENCER of the faculties that comprise an entity determines the locus of what the component faculties provide. Ignoring this, or pretending it is irrelevant, does not constitute rational rebuttal. Our respective beliefs about Reality are BOTH question-begging assertions, period.
thats the point. If it was so "meaningless" there wouldn't be the need to constantly fight it. It it was truly meaningless they wouldn't take steps to get it silenced. They would let us use the observations openly and honestly.
For example. I "lack belief" in your aware field. It is rather meaningless to me. There is nothing to be said past "Ok, plausible, but I lack belief.".
What is meaningful is how they fight. It matters to me how we win. If the belief is based on something rational it has a real chance of self correcting. Trans' "I am fighting any claim to stop religion and svae you people" has zero chance of self correction using data and commonsense. That is what is meaningful. Not the beliefs themselves. They just can't see it.
They didn't stop you because you are irrational, they stopped you because your claim is so plausible, so rational, and people can relate, they would loose some of their flock.
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