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That's what you are getting. But can you deal with the lioical implications? That the non -belief position is not just the only honest but the only logical response to the God -claim, pending better evidential support?
another example of "craftiness and semantic trickery"
saying only atheists are honest, and everyone else is dishonest.
saying only atheists are logical, and every other view is not logical.
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Religion gets in the way of too many things and too many religious folks use it as a weapon to control or oppress others rather than a tool to help themselves.
Amen! That would be the major misuse of religion or spirituality!
A non-belief has no existence on its own. Atheism is the belief that there is no god. Why is it so important for you to call it a non-belief?
Two reasons. One there are many types of atheist. Some sects (although no sects the word applies) are stone cold "there is no god of any type". They look and sound just like any fundy theist. Second, it depends on the type of god. There are atheist that believe in far more "spiritual" looking things than I do.
I only believe the system around us matches alive more than not alive. And it freaks the no ba Jesus out of the fundy think type atheist.
Partly right. An atheist can also be one that claims that a God does not exist, in which its a positive claim that can be challenged.
Where science does come in is when a believer challenges the atheist (nonbeliever) about stuff the believer is true because it's in their Holy Book and claims that is the way it had to happen.or I guess the opponents of MysticPhD claim that his is based on science.
For the most part science is not needed for one to not believe there is sufficient evidence to believe in a God. I think this is the main reason that a good portion of believers on these forums do not get challenged about the science of their belief, they claim they believe because of faith or personal experiences or they need and receive help in their life from their religion. I don't think I have challenged any of those. Probably asked them to explain what they need. But when a poster claims that we should accept that the Earth is only 6000 years old, that morality only comes from God or that we are bound for hell because we don't have their particular belief than debating is warrented.
If theists were not pushing into politics or into the educational systems or so willing to be in tolerate against those with no beliefs or of other beliefs than atheistss could remain silent.
Can an openly atheist be elected president in your country? Could a Muslim or a Jew? I do remember the concern many Americans had about JFK because he was a Catholic. Religion gets in the way of too many things and too many religious folks use it as a weapon to control or oppress others rather than a tool to help themselves.
when you use a clam tone you make some sense. When you are red faced pissed at believers you go off the deep end.
Counter to the school claims ...
Look on the east coast of the united states. Many choose to send their children to "believing schools" for a reason.
Why is that? what ideology has destroyed our schools over the last 30 years? What type of people were in administration of our public schools?
no, they are not.
maybe you should read the FAQ sticky on the Atheism forum:
"What is atheism? Atheism is a very narrow position about belief in deities. It is the lack of belief in ANY deity. 'Atheist' literally means 'without god' and the opposite term is 'Theist'. A theist believes in one or more gods, an atheist believes in no gods at all. We don’t know that there are no gods. Atheism is a belief position, not a knowledge position."
You are so absolutely confused.
Discard the word beliefs. It has NO place in the modern world.
Instead, use facts, information, knowledge and words like that. When the concept of a god was dreamed up, there was little knowledge, so people used beliefs instead.
Well, our knowledge has increased EXPONENTIALLY (due to scientific inquiry), so "beliefs" need no longer be used as a poor, nay, half-azzed, substitute.
Beliefs are for dark-agers and flat-earthers - PERIOD.
I know, based on the evidence produced, when compared to the religious dogma dreamed up thousands of years ago, that there is/are no god(s), as surely as I "know" there is no Santa Claus.
Do yourself a huge favor. Give up the idea that you will be re-born/live forever, have an after-life. That lust for eternal life, prodded on by your abject fear of mortality has you confused seven ways to Sunday. You can't even think straight.
However, if you give up the "eternal life" BS, you'll find things snap into focus and it all makes sense. You won't have to say asinine tings like "god works in mysterious ways" because you will have figured out that god doesn't exists, and more importantly, you no longer feel the need to pretend he does, which you are doing now.
Discard the word beliefs. It has NO place in the modern world.
Instead, use facts, information, knowledge and words like that. When the concept of a god was dreamed up, there was little knowledge, so people used beliefs instead.
Well, our knowledge has increased EXPONENTIALLY (due to scientific inquiry), so "beliefs" need no longer be used as a poor, nay, half-azzed, substitute.
Beliefs are for dark-agers and flat-earthers - PERIOD.
I know, based on the evidence produced, when compared to the religious dogma dreamed up thousands of years ago, that there is/are no god(s), as surely as I "know" there is no Santa Claus.
Do yourself a huge favor. Give up the idea that you will be re-born/live forever, have an after-life. That lust for eternal life, prodded on by your abject fear of mortality has you confused seven ways to Sunday. You can't even think straight.
However, if you give up the "eternal life" BS, you'll find things snap into focus and it all makes sense. You won't have to say asinine tings like "god works in mysterious ways" because you will have figured out that god doesn't exists, and more importantly, you no longer feel the need to pretend he does, which you are doing now.
It's not just about what is real TO YOU, it's also about what is real to others. You dismiss too much out of hand. Whether we agree with much of it or not is not necessarily relevant to what has a place in our modern world. When millions believe...it has a place in the modern world, whether it's right or wrong.
It's not just about what is real TO YOU, it's also about what is real to others. You dismiss too much out of hand. Whether we agree with much of it or not is not necessarily relevant to what has a place in our modern world. When millions believe...it has a place in the modern world, whether it's right or wrong.
Real is real, regardless of mis-perceptions. The reality discovered by science are "real", flat-earthers notwithstanding. The total absence of any evidence of a god, of any sort is real, mis-perceptions of believers in pursuit of their eternal life, notwithstanding.
A total lack of evidence showing the existence of a god, speaks volumes, the deafness of believers notwithstanding.
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Real is real, regardless of mis-perceptions. The reality discovered by science are "real", flat-earthers notwithstanding. The total absence of any evidence of a god, or an sort is real, mis-perceptions of believers in pursuit of their eternal life, notwithstanding.
A total lack of evidence showing the existence of a god, speaks volumes, the deafness of believers notwithstanding.
That may all be true, but christians or Muslims or Buddhists or any other religion have a right to believe what they wish. There is freedom of thought and freedom of speech. And while you may not their beliefs, they have money, they have power, they have influence...so there is a place for them in this world...even if they are wrong.
That may all be true, but christians or Muslims or Buddhists or any other religion have a right to believe what they wish. There is freedom of thought and freedom of speech. And while you may not their beliefs, they have money, they have power, they have influence...so there is a place for them in this world...even if they are wrong.
Of course, they do. Nobody questions that. Although I do believe there will come a time in the near future when the various and sundry accommodations granted to religions by government will have to be withdrawn. Simply put, government should not be subsidizing, actively or passively, such counter-productive, backward activities.
another example of "craftiness and semantic trickery"
saying only atheists are honest, and everyone else is dishonest.
saying only atheists are logical, and every other view is not logical.
It's trying to maintain an untenable belief position that does that to a number of theists. I am sure they are decent people very often - as decent as the next. It's the religion that does the damage.
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