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Thank you for clearing up what HJ99's argument is but I would like to hear from them directly.
I don't trust the Woo-infested and agenda driven response that you always have. Doubt is the most reasonable position. Better than the unicorn like Non-Belief.
I certainly don't, myself. I am more worried about the earth being hit by an asteroid (1), and yet that doesn't keep me awake at night.
I can say that some deconverts have said that the residual fear of hell still bothers them, even though they don't really believe in it anymore. That's as much as I can say towards Iwas's assertion.
Thanks for backing me up. I think it’s much more prevalent than that, though. I rarely mention hell but whenever I do, regardless of the context, the inevitable, automatic response by atheists is to label it “hellthreat”.
Why? It’s just make-believe, right? There shouldn’t be such an emotional reaction unless there was some concern about one’s eternal fate.
The bottom line is that you are not certain that the God of the Bible does not exist. You have acknowledged that repeatedly. It logically follows that you are also not certain that you won’t go to hell. Can you acknowledge that as well?
Thanks for backing me up. I think it’s much more prevalent than that, though. I rarely mention hell but whenever I do, regardless of the context, the inevitable, automatic response by atheists is to label it “hellthreat”.
Why? It’s just make-believe, right? There shouldn’t be such an emotional reaction unless there was some concern about one’s eternal fate.
The bottom line is that you are not certain that the God of the Bible does not exist. You have acknowledged that repeatedly. It logically follows that you are also not certain that you won’t go to hell. Can you acknowledge that as well?
But ONCE AGAIN, you have refused to answer the question (in one form or another) that was put to you.
Which atheist posters on this site have expressed any fear of hell? By screen name. Who?
Who are all these atheists you are meeting with and talking to that have expressed this fear of hell. I can count the number of atheists I've met personally on one hand and still have several fingers left over. Who are these people that you claim have said this to you?
This is what we mean every time we complain that you don't answer questions asked of you.
Thanks for backing me up. I think it’s much more prevalent than that, though. I rarely mention hell but whenever I do, regardless of the context, the inevitable, automatic response by atheists is to label it “hellthreat”.
Why? It’s just make-believe, right? There shouldn’t be such an emotional reaction unless there was some concern about one’s eternal fate.
The bottom line is that you are not certain that the God of the Bible does not exist. You have acknowledged that repeatedly. It logically follows that you are also not certain that you won’t go to hell. Can you acknowledge that as well?
Do you really think atheists go around worrying about the gods and hells of every religion? Do you worry about possibly going to the Muslim or Hindu hell?
You are inventing these claims of yours from mere personal fantasy. You cannot show anyone who does this. Christopher Hitchens refuted gods til his dying day. So did Carl Sagan. No prominent atheist expresses worry over this, and no one has seen this from any atheist here either. Lots of theists WANT them to worry about it, but none seem to ,regardless of your baseless claims.
What exactly would be the scientific measure of the presence of God that would signal no God by its absence?
Since theists are the ones making claims of invisible spiritual beings existing, the question rather is what would be the scientific measure of the presence of God that would signal God by its presence?
And please don't revert to your pantheistic god=universe argument. We have established that what you posit is a god that is transcendent of the universe and exists outside the known universe as well as being part of the known universe. Pantheism now fails you for a panentheistic god.
But ONCE AGAIN, you have refused to answer the question (in one form or another) that was put to you.
Which atheist posters on this site have expressed any fear of hell? By screen name. Who?
Who are all these atheists you are meeting with and talking to that have expressed this fear of hell. I can count the number of atheists I've met personally on one hand and still have several fingers left over. Who are these people that you claim have said this to you?
This is what we mean every time we complain that you don't answer questions asked of you.
Are you requesting that I use my forum-searching skills to provide quotes and name names?
Since theists are the ones making claims of invisible spiritual beings existing, the question rather is what would be the scientific measure of the presence of God that would signal God by its presence?
And please don't revert to your pantheistic god=universe argument. We have established that what you posit is a god that is transcendent of the universe and exists outside the known universe as well as being part of the known universe. Pantheism now fails you for a panentheistic god.
Everything we can measure and everything we cannot measure are evidence of the Presence of God under panentheism.
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You are only too welcome.
