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I'm sure that I recall the Christians started a demand to have atheists excluded from the Christianity forum. I recall that the request was rejected, but I'm sure it was called for. Maybe my incipient Alzheimers is to blame.
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It's certainly possible. If somebody had asked me to do that, I'd have told them we can't do that, and promptly forgotten about it. Generally, anybody can post in any forum as long as they follow the rules.
Of course, those Senior Moments creep up on me too.
I'm sure that I recall the Christians started a demand to have atheists excluded from the Christianity forum. I recall that the request was rejected, but I'm sure it was called for. Maybe my incipient Alzheimers is to blame.
You misunderstand at least. New atheism, to make just one obvious correction is not the same thing as 'new age atheism'. So was that just wrongheadedness or deliberate craftiness? You tell me.
Trans, I am in your bubble and outside of your bubble. Of course, unlike mystic, I feel you totally understand what we are saying but you knowingly choose to deploy dishonesty, obscure-ism, confusion to keep your position more reliable.
You are selling a statement of belief about god. Most atheist form a statement of belief about god. You are doing what it takes to recruit crusaders and most of us other atheist are just trying to help people be the best they can be.
Your way, you trip over helping more than planning for it. My way, includes crusades. Its just that ours in in response to them, we are not out to "go save those that don't know any better."
Those nonbelievers who are opposed to New atheism on political grounds just go straight to the accusations and insults. They have not a theism to defend.
Though Goldie has managed to fudge one up, though only Mystic seems to believe it is a genuine theism, or pretends to.
I do not know if it is political, for some it appears to be pretending they are more intellectual than they are. Some made political points, one makes a political straw man, but I do not think politics is why they post.
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Always good for a laugh.
Indeed. Once they start inventing 'evidence', avoid having their 'science' verified, and ignoring evidence they do not like, then the game is over.
Much as I often disagree with theists, I'll say I see no point in allowing atheists to dispute gods in the religious subforums. Those should be strictly for discussion about the mechanics of their beliefs only. The AA subforum doesn't allow proselytizing by theists, so sort of the same rules fo atheists going to religion specic subforums
Much as I often disagree with theists, I'll say I see no point in allowing atheists to dispute gods in the religious subforums. Those should be strictly for discussion about the mechanics of their beliefs only. The AA subforum doesn't allow proselytizing by theists, so sort of the same rules fo atheists going to religion specic subforums
That's not what happened. One of the former moderators suggested that it was senseless to operate a forum about Christianity without at least assuming that God/Jesus exist. It made so much basic sense that we added it to the rules there without much discussion.
I certainly recall an instruction to posters on Christianity not to claim that others were 'Not Real Christians'. The effort that I seem to recall was to try to stop atheists posting contentious posts on Christianity because...well, we can guess.
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There is no problem with disallowing other statements of belief of god from going into other other sub forums to argue.
If fact, it doesn't even have to apply "equally". Disallowing people just going in to tell them they are delusional, wrong, and needy is just commonsense.
I do not know if it is political, for some it appears to be pretending they are more intellectual than they are. Some made political points, one makes a political straw man, but I do not think politics is why they post.
The main offenders, Arach and Gldnrule, plus Julian and before that Corporate Cowboy who had slidden into agnosticism' and had grudgingly accepted that this mandated 'non- belief', was bitterly opposed to the 'wrong kind' of atheists, have revealed their antipathy being based on Conservative dislike of social change. Arach has said so by snarling at 'Socialism' from time to time and Julian gave us an initial lecture on Sweden apparently dressing boys and girls alike. I bet those Nordic lads looked cute in Frocks.
I may be wrong (though in practice I never am ) but the beef is often evident - they do not like the 'Liberal' challenge to Conservative values, and they see 'activist' atheism as part of that push. And they are right. Otherwise there is no reason for them to be anti -'New' atheism. The Reasons they give are canards, because they have to give false reasons for opposing us as the Real reasons (though they let them slip from time to time) sound - politically motivated, which they are.
I won't even go into the diverting efforts that a couple of them make to debunk atheism by wangling a 'god' without there actually being a god, or Julian's trying to validate Religion as necessary or at least historically significant, or CC's argument that 'New' atheists were rude and strident and were hurting the atheist agenda.
But, like I say, I won't go into that.
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Indeed. Once they start inventing 'evidence', avoid having their 'science' verified, and ignoring evidence they do not like, then the game is over.
It ought to be, but they keep on claiming that they won despite the evidence showing that they lose. Uncanny. At least they don't DM the Mods asking whether they can find 'em a few hundred more Likes to get them a Win.
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The main offenders, Arach and Gldnrule, plus Julian and before that Corporate Cowboy who had slidden into agnosticism' and had grudgingly accepted that this mandated 'non- belief', was bitterly opposed to the 'wrong kind' of atheists, have revealed their antipathy being based on Conservative dislike of social change. Arach has said so by snarling at 'Socialism' from time to time and Julian gave us an initial lecture on Sweden apparently dressing boys and girls alike. I bet those Nordic lads looked cute in Frocks.
I may be wrong (though in practice I never am ) but the beef is often evident - they do not like the 'Liberal' challenge to Conservative values, and they see 'activist' atheism as part of that push. And they are right. Otherwise there is no reason for them to be anti -'New' atheism. The Reasons they give are canards, because they have to give false reasons for opposing us as the Real reasons (though they let them slip from time to time) sound - politically motivated, which they are.
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Wow ... you don't see that we don't care about anything past a belief being consistent with observation. In this forum. well, I actually think you do. You are intentionally clouding what we are sayiong.
Your highlighted part ... we would be all aboard in a political forum. This is not that forum.
Despite no evidence that you had to get stopped. Do you see a problem with that trans? By you saying that "our" evidence doesn't get us anywhere, Is a problem, that is what we are pushing back against?
I know you guys like to change what we say then tell us we are wrong ... well, infact ... yeah.
If they had had their way, this would have become an annex of Christianity. But ut has become something of an annex of A/A. (Atheists almighty) and we could have had Chrstianity, too, but the Christian disapproval of that was loud (they tried to have us banned from posting there ) and so I keep out of it.
It is perhaps an anomalous situation that the discussion area (at least) of the (to employ analogy) stamp - collecting forum is dominated by those who don't collect stamps. But that, as they say, is the nature of the beast. However, Mystic (as I say, typically theistlike) only does that when he tries to preach his own Beliefs the way (so the saying goes) rabbits crap; everywhere and at random - and gets called on it. Those nonbelievers who are opposed to New atheism on political grounds just go straight to the accusations and insults. They have not a theism to defend.
Though Goldie has managed to fudge one up, though only Mystic seems to believe it is genuine theism, or pretends to.
Yes, you have been quite successful in locking down theist beliefs and isolating all but the eminently refutable and irrational ones insulating atheism from any genuine dispute. You get to preach your atheism as if it is a default on every topic while criticizing and reporting me for doing the same with my theism. That you seem proud of that and do not even recognize the dishonesty and lack of decency it represents reveals a despicable hatred of theism that degrades what little soul some of you atheists seem to have. How on earth can you possibly doubt the sincerity of my theism, Arq?????
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) but the beef is often evident - they do not like the 'Liberal' challenge to Conservative values, and they see 'activist' atheism as part of that push. And they are right. Otherwise there is no reason for them to be anti -'New' atheism. The Reasons they give are canards, because they have to give false reasons for opposing us as the Real reasons (though they let them slip from time to time) sound - politically motivated, which they are.
