Christian defends slavery in public hearing (Baptist, quote)
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And how do you know these slave owners did not use the Bible to justify slavery?
We are haters because we point out the Bible DOES condone slavery, which is a problem for the claim of objective morality?
But I forgot. Any religious person can point that out, but if an atheist notes this fact, they are bashing, mocking, hating, usw.
The Bible says all are sinful...suffering is a good thing...love & bless your enemies and those that persecute you...and you are not to lean on your own understanding & just defer to God.
So...what the Bible says about slavery (or anything else) is not to be critiqued or questioned using "your own understanding".
You must have forgotten that part. So, stop that...The Bible said so. I mean...since you are going by what The Bible says literally.
Actually, Gldn is trying to highlight the primary difference between you and EscalaMike. Mike is thinking about playing a role in slavery as doing what Gldn is alleging. In other words, he is focused on the primary motivation for the EXISTENCE of slavery. You are focused on the active SUPPORT of slavery as an institution. That is why you see the role of the SBC differently. Mike believes slavery existed for reasons completely unrelated to the Bible or religion. I hope this clears up the confusion.
No, it was clearly an attack on atheists for responding to various Christian claims about morality (such as the Bible as a source for morality, or objective morality coming from a god). The fact that slavery is endorsed in the OT is a problem for those Christian claims.
And if the king of hyperbole wants atheists to stop mentioning the fact that slavery is endorsed in the OT, then perhaps he should respond to those Christians guilty of using those arguments.
But the drama king is not interested in a honest discussion, that is why he lies about atheists starting the argument.
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The Bible says all are sinful...suffering is a good thing...love & bless your enemies and those that persecute you...and you are not to lean on your own understanding & just defer to God.
So...what the Bible says about slavery (or anything else) is not to be critiqued or questioned using "your own understanding".
You must have forgotten that part. So, stop that...The Bible said so. I mean...since you are going by what The Bible says literally.
What does "lean not on your own understanding" mean anyway? In the world I grew up in it meant to listen to what the Watchtower said to do even if it " didn't seem practical from a worldly standpoint". They used that scripture to control people tho so I was wondering how someone else would interpret that.
No, it was clearly an attack on atheists for responding to various Christian claims about morality (such as the Bible as a source for morality, or objective morality coming from a god). The fact that slavery is endorsed in the OT is a problem for those Christian claims.
And if the king of hyperbole wants atheists to stop mentioning the fact that slavery is endorsed in the OT, then perhaps he should respond to those Christians guilty of using those arguments.
But the drama king is not interested in a honest discussion, that is why he lies about atheists starting the argument.
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Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8
What does "lean not on your own understanding" mean anyway? In the world I grew up in it meant to listen to what the Watchtower said to do even if it " didn't seem practical from a worldly standpoint". They used that scripture to control people tho so I was wondering how someone else would interpret that.
The Bible is a metaphorical and allegorical work of literary art.
But...for those that take it literally, or seek to bash those that take it literally, and rather than just explain the representative nature of it and use "Devils Advocate" type arguments...they cannot just use the parts of the Bible that mention things that instigate "Problem of Evil/Suffering issues...they must also accept the parts that explain and cover all that.
Any argument against the Bible based upon a literal interpretation is a loser from the get-go. The Bible covers itself and the Deity in every way possible.
A literal interpretation of the Bible tells you that you should forgive and even bless all who commit evil against you. Any evil...which would necessarily include enslavement: Matthew 5:38-48
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
The Bible says not to use your own understanding to assess and critique anything...just defer to God: Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
The Bible explains that God is a Omnimax Powered Entity that knows everything and can do anything, and has thoughts and ways that are above ours: Isaiah 55:8-9
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Also, that suffering is a good thing...a "fruit of the Spirit", right there with love, joy, and peace: Galatians 5:22-26
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
So...there ya go...fully explained how it's all cool. According to a literal Bible interpretation.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you disparaging a poster on here? How very Christian of you! Not unexpected though, sadly.
I'm asking if you're still holding to the claim that the guy in the video is a Christian. He never identifies as one and he openly mocks it. You have either made a mistake or you're dishonest. Which is it?
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^illogical mantra above
