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mystic asked about the logic and the definitions.
those are not unknown.
they are known. they are simple, basic. and known.
preschoolers learning their numbers get a taste of this. numbers and counting may "start" at 0 or 1. and numbers go higher and higher without end, because +1 can always be added on to the highest number. however very soon the still young child is shown negative numbers, -1, -2, -3 etc. they go on forever in the other direction.
it is not any more complicated than that.
Its real simple. To us, something could seem infinite and not be.
Why some believers stake everything they have on unknows, errr, wait a min, forget that.
Its real simple. To us, something could seem infinite and not be.
Why some believers stake everything they have on unknows, errr, wait a min, forget that.
definitions and logic
are not belief
what mystic asked has nothing to do with belief.
the posts i made have nothing to do with belief.
Are those saying something, anything is infinite, saying that because they read it and then believe it?
Wouldn't you have to experience this infinity or this infinite thing in it's infinitude to
say that it is infinite?
Understand my belief is that the Creator is infinite. But, that's all ...that it is my belief.
Could you be saying this because from your point of view all that is finite changes
and has an end...while you think that the Creator does not?
But how would you know this?
Just curious, don't get mad at me!
From the OP:
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One thing about being as ancient as the Vedic scriptures are is that every possible doubt has been raised by the thinkers themselves and have also been resolved through logical and systematic reasoning.
The logic used in Vedanta is not the same as Aristotelian logic. It has its own methods and steps and is systematic.
The most often method used is like peeling an onion - peel off all that it is not and what remains is the truth. And that is what is in the OP.
bold above,
no, it can not.
if it has a beginning, then it also has an end. and it is not infinite. it is finite.
if it has no end, then it also has no beginning.
that is simple understanding of basic definitions. and it is simple logic.
if you don't understand it (which it appears you don't) then that's OK.
nothing to do with "beliefs" or "views" or "opinions" or "misjudging." everything to do with understanding a concept, how a word is defined, and basic logic.
I think Arach has a point there. For example, let's take your birth. That's a beginning but the fact of your birth will continue for all eternity. But this led me to think of something - eternal life, the promise of some religions. You know the one; "Believe in me and I will give you eternal life".
Also, I'm not sure that infinity necessarily runs in both directions. Numerically, infinity begins at zero (unlike eternity). You cannot go smaller than zero. But then what about negative numbers? The numbers themselves can go on forever. Remember that the number -10 is bigger that -1.
I think Arach has a point there. For example, let's take your birth. That's a beginning but the fact of your birth will continue for all eternity. But this led me to think of something - eternal life, the promise of some religions. You know the one; "Believe in me and I will give you eternal life".
Also, I'm not sure that infinity necessarily runs in both directions. Numerically, infinity begins at zero (unlike eternity). You cannot go smaller than zero. But then what about negative numbers? The numbers themselves can go on forever. Remember that the number -10 is bigger that -1.
The bolded. What do you mean by the FACT of your birth? What is birthed dies. The birthed is not eternal.
As for negative numbers and infinity I thought that was resolved and you have just answered it again. Brahman transcends time and space.
The bolded. What do you mean by the FACT of your birth? What is birthed dies. The birthed is not eternal.
As for negative numbers and infinity I thought that was resolved and you have just answered it again. Brahman transcends time and space.
The fact that you were born doesn't become non-fact after you die. It becomes history and will be history for an eternity (although no-one will remember it).
I wasn't referring to transcending space and time, only to the comment that infinity goes in both directions into the negative numbers.
I don't know what to make of the concept of transcending space and time. Would you care to tackle that one?
There is one thought or question I have and that is what happens to 'eternity' when space and time no longer exists, as was the case in the pre-big bang? Perhaps one could consider that condition as transcending space and time although I strongly suspect that is not what is being meant.
The fact that you were born doesn't become non-fact after you die. It becomes history and will be history for an eternity (although no-one will remember it).
I wasn't referring to transcending space and time, only to the comment that infinity goes in both directions into the negative numbers.
I don't know what to make of the concept of transcending space and time. Would you care to tackle that one?
There is one thought or question I have and that is what happens to 'eternity' when space and time no longer exists, as was the case in the pre-big bang? Perhaps one could consider that condition as transcending space and time although I strongly suspect that is not what is being meant.
Brhman exists always, it pre-exists Big Bang, it IS space and time and also transcends it. Big Bang could have been a ripple that caused the world to become sentient and it can also devolve and resolve back into the Brhman and a new world can become sentient in a cycle into eternity.
What exactly is a non-fact? The only thing that exists is Brhman. All individual life forms are the same Brhman and as humans, we also posses the awareness of this Consciousness. Yet we are conditioned by our body and mind and intellect with which we falsely identify as our real self.
Brhman exists always, it pre-exists Big Bang, it IS space and time and also transcends it. Big Bang could have been a ripple that caused the world to become sentient and it can also devolve and resolve back into the Brhman and a new world can become sentient in a cycle into eternity.
What exactly is a non-fact? The only thing that exists is Brhman. All individual life forms are the same Brhman and as humans, we also posses the awareness of this Consciousness. Yet we are conditioned by our body and mind and intellect with which we falsely identify as our real self.
why? why couldn't it have started at the big bang?
The fact that you were born doesn't become non-fact after you die. It becomes history and will be history for an eternity (although no-one will remember it).
I wasn't referring to transcending space and time, only to the comment that infinity goes in both directions into the negative numbers.
I don't know what to make of the concept of transcending space and time. Would you care to tackle that one?
There is one thought or question I have and that is what happens to 'eternity' when space and time no longer exists, as was the case in the pre-big bang? Perhaps one could consider that condition as transcending space and time although I strongly suspect that is not what is being meant.
bold above:
transcending space = without physical form. it does not occupy any physical space.
transcending time = not affected by time. exists outside of time and is not affected by it. changeless. timeless.
change is a function of time. if something transcends time, it is outside of time and does not change over time.
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why? why couldn't it have started at the big bang?
because no beginning no end = there is no "start"
= always was, always will be
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The numbers themselves can go on forever. Remember that the number -10 is bigger that -1.
