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I know. I've been asking him to do that over a period of many months, and he refuses to do so. Now he is playing the game of saying that his extrapolations are valid because some of the science he bases those extrapolations are is valid.
This refusal to comprehend what I am actually saying belies your claims to science education (or you were a lousy student). Extrapolations are HYPOTHESES based on preexisting scientific facts, theories, and understanding which is the ONLY way science progresses beyond what has been validated. Scientific hypotheses are NOT wild-a$$ guesses or wishful thinking. They have soundly derived consequences and predictions from known science.
This refusal to comprehend what I am actually saying belies your claims to science education (or you were a lousy student). Extrapolations are HYPOTHESES based on preexisting scientific facts, theories, and understanding which is the ONLY way science progresses beyond what has been validated. Scientific hypotheses are NOT wild-a$$ guesses or wishful thinking. They have soundly derived consequences and predictions from known science.
I don't call your ideas about religiousness to be hypotheses. I would call them, at best, ponderings.
I don't call your ideas about religiousness to be hypotheses. I would call them, at best, ponderings.
Then you are clearly failing to parse the science from the religious aspects of my beliefs. In science, I am hypothesizing how our consciousness is produced, what comprises it and how, and where it actually resides within our Reality. Those hypotheses are soundly based on science. The religious implications and beliefs that I then associate with them are apparently what you have difficulty with, especially since I relate it to an altered version of your hated Christianity.
If yours is "ponderings" with at least some science behind it, what's that make his rebirth thing? I would use the words "fairy tale" repeatedly in describing his. That kind of sheds some light on his depth. People that have to repeatedly tell us how trained they are, well, never seems to be able to walk on water either. At least out side of their own head anywayz.
If yours is "ponderings" with at least some science behind it, what's that make his rebirth thing? I would use the words "fairy tale" repeatedly in describing his. That kind of sheds some light on his depth. People that have to repeatedly tell us how trained they are, well, never seems to be able to walk on water either. At least out side of their own head anywayz.
"My rebirth thing"? All I've said about the concept is that it's a possibility.
This refusal to comprehend what I am actually saying belies your claims to science education (or you were a lousy student). Extrapolations are HYPOTHESES based on preexisting scientific facts, theories, and understanding which is the ONLY way science progresses beyond what has been validated. Scientific hypotheses are NOT wild-a$$ guesses or wishful thinking. They have soundly derived consequences and predictions from known science.
I guess they don't think the beginning steps of The Scientific Method are of any merit, if it in any way applies to the validation of God Claims.
But, then, it figures they'd be stymied by that.
Then what the hell is your problem. They are legitimate hypotheses based on legitimate science, NOT made-up stuff. They will either be validated in some future date or not but they are sound extrapolations, NOT guesses pulled out of my hindquarters as you seem to want to portray them. They are very well-supported and anyone who actually knows the science would conclude the same. There is more than sufficient "reason to believe they could be true" as opposed to your "no reason to believe it is true."
Except you need to show what data in the QM world allows you to make your extrapolation, otherwise they ARE simple guesses. A classic example of an extrapolation was the Higgs boson.
If your idea is not testable (an hypothesis is testable), and if it does not explain the problem, then there is no reason to believe it could be true. You claim your idea is well supported, but you do not seem willing or able to support your idea.
I guess they don't think the beginning steps of The Scientific Method are of any merit, if it in any way applies to the validation of God Claims.
But, then, it figures they'd be stymied by that.
The problem is we do not know if Mystic is following the scientific method, or simply claiming to. Do try to keep up with the actual arguments.
"My rebirth thing"? All I've said about the concept is that it's a possibility.
fairytales are not a possibility. And if they are then that still makes mystic far more plausible than yours.
The bigger issue is that for how much you are bragging on your training you don't represent mystic's claims as he states them. To me, you really are reactive to how people say something.
1-he says it what he believes (a possibility) and their is no proof of it yet.
2-he says he knows its his person experience and not reliable out side of himself.
So, for me, I see him with some evidence for the possibility of his belief and absolutely no evidence for yours. It doesn't matter how he says it.
I guess they don't think the beginning steps of The Scientific Method are of any merit, if it in any way applies to the validation of God Claims.
But, then, it figures they'd be stymied by that.
I disagree here gld. They know exactly what they are doing and understand exactly what we are saying. The evidence for what we three believe is so convincing that some choose to avoid it, shun it, and isolate it by saying "it doesn't get us anywhere". And they will not state where that is because it will expose intentions.
I am tore between calling them out on it then having them go deeper underground via how they word things and letting go and having it clear for all to see what they are doing.
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