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The Oral Torah is not needed to respond to the OP. The OP entirely skipped over the attempted extermination of the Israelites in order to state that the Israelites did what they did without cause. If we move to modern times, this is the same as saying the Israeli's pounded the Gaza Strip w/o reason with 100's of rockets leaving out the context that that Palestinians fired 150+ rockets into Israel the day before at civilians not caring who they killed. Without the context that covers the situation from the beginning, it makes the Israeli's look cruel for no reason.
The comparison lags.
There is no reason to deny the right of the Israelis to defend themselves. But there would a worldwide outcry, if the defense would include killing imprisoned children and give the virgins to the member of the army (like Moses orderd). Don't you think?
What does it cause in a believer to realise, that the God of Moses will do something, the believer won't ever think it's a good thing? Except he might guess it has to be right, because its mentioned this way in the Bible.
One could ask why we are moral, and then follow that position to it's logical end. You may not like the answers, it means some people will need to pay more tax.
Why are we moral?
The Religious will say it is because we must follow the Theological moral code, from the Creator...so we can be "righteous/good".
The secular can only offer their preferences, that serve them and/or society.
Neither are any better or worse than the other.
It's all subjective...with as many "moral codes" as there are people able to assess the matter...no matter what basis they use to form it.
If there is a good answer using the Talmud to explain the behavior of Moses, killing children (prisoners of war), I would really appreciate this.
People that believe in sacrificing their children can never understand. Before this earth was created there was the Torah written with the names and history of the two nations of Israel. Before this Earth was created, all those people were.
People are thinking there is a difference in being one years old and a hundred years old for one.
People look at the bible from a distance not knowing what it really is
I dont believe in free will because I know all those stories existed before the earth was created.
But let's take a trip through the world before Moses, what might you find in every city you visit?
People sacrificing their own children?
If you have a problem with somebody killed by Israel, let's look up what might have been done in their religions.
When it comes down to it, people are in a dream and dont know it, and if the bible is correct, the same people in the bible were alive billions of years ago.
This short life is not even a second compared to the rest of their lives and these lives are for teaching.
What do all the stories of the bible teach about?
You.
Yes. It does.
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4 Mose 31, 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
So Moses and his soldiers had won a battle and he ordered to kill prisoners. And not only that. Men, who had killed their parents, shall take the virgins for themselves. Wow. That's cruel.
That's how wars were fought. That was customary for the time period. When Israel lost a battle, that's what happened to them.
If you have a problem with somebody killed by Israel, let's look up what might have been done in their religions.
We talk about different things.
I have no problem with somebody killed by someone.
The problem is a God (imagination) in a person, who has two contradicting attributes causing the neutralisation of the God's immanent power within the person.
God in a person is "that" having the most power given. If the imagination is, he orders Moses to kill children in imprisonment and to take the virgins for the army you cant think and feel a God as a loving "person". Are you near God in this state? What motivates a believer is God who is one. Not two.
That's how wars were fought. That was customary for the time period. When Israel lost a battle, that's what happened to them.
The problem is not that it was quite common in old times. The problem is that - so the Bible - the cruelities were ordered by a God. And a God cannot change. He will be the same always.
So you have a God who is totally contradicting your heart in the matter. Because you dont live in the old times, your heart has quite different kind of views.
Or do you say, God knows why it is good to take virgins against their will, but I cannot see why, because I am no God? So there are faith, hope and love. Love the most important thing and you dont nothing about love? Dont tell me that!
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