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Legitimate exclusion and tangible harm are inexcusable, MQ. But we are destroying the reasonable in pursuit of perfection when we trivialize to the level of merely "taking offense," IMO.
Taking offense just to take offense is not what we are talking about here. In a progressively-more-multicultural society such as the one in which we now live, I believe we need to open our eyes to areas where we may need to adjust behaviors that were not historically challenged but maybe should be.
Here's a non-religious example. I grew up with a disabled father in a time when there were no handicapped parking spaces or wheelchair ramps to enter buildings. My sister and I had to jump out of cars as children to stand in a spot close to a door until he could get the car there while people yelled at us and called us names because they couldn't get into the spot without running us over. We always had to call ahead if we were going somewhere to see if there were only a few steps my father might be able to climb on his artificial legs.
That's a situation in which people had to be taught to become aware that a segment of the population was being left out. People thought that was silly, too. I remember the howling and whining going on when a couple of parking spots were first set aside for people like my dad. The irony was that he lost his legs in combat fighting so that these idiots had the right to say whatever stupid thing they wanted to.
But time went on, and now no one questions that the disabled have the right to accommodations in public areas. I'm hoping that in time people will do the same with situations like this and consider it thoughtless and rude to force personal religious preferences on others in governmental-led meetings and events.
Taking offense just to take offense is not what we are talking about here. In a progressively-more-multicultural society such as the one in which we now live, I believe we need to open our eyes to areas where we may need to adjust behaviors that were not historically challenged but maybe should be.
Here's a non-religious example. I grew up with a disabled father in a time when there were no handicapped parking spaces or wheelchair ramps to enter buildings. My sister and I had to jump out of cars as children to stand in a spot close to a door until he could get the car there while people yelled at us and called us names because they couldn't get into the spot without running us over. We always had to call ahead if we were going somewhere to see if there were only a few steps my father might be able to climb on his artificial legs.
That's a situation in which people had to be taught to become aware that a segment of the population was being left out. People thought that was silly, too. I remember the howling and whining going on when a couple of parking spots were first set aside for people like my dad. The irony was that he lost his legs in combat fighting so that these idiots had the right to say whatever stupid thing they wanted to.
But time went on, and now no one questions that the disabled have the right to accommodations in public areas. I'm hoping that in time people will do the same with situations like this and consider it thoughtless and rude to force personal religious preferences on others in governmental-led meetings and events.
valid point ...
doesn't alternating prayers do that even more than banning? like those physical spots were are hard structure focusing our attention on a moral issue? Every time I walk buy them, I think of it.
But time went on, and now no one questions that the disabled have the right to accommodations in public areas. I'm hoping that in time people will do the same with situations like this and consider it thoughtless and rude to force personal religious preferences on others in governmental-led meetings and events.
Exactly. i am very happy that we live in a country where we value every person’s need to feel whole. This is why a community that wishes to have a prayer before delving into budgets and finance so they may all make sound judgements that will serve community needs and not serve only selfish entitlements, should be accommodate as well. It sets the tone for keeping the focus community.
Taking offense just to take offense is not what we are talking about here. In a progressively-more-multicultural society such as the one in which we now live, I believe we need to open our eyes to areas where we may need to adjust behaviors that were not historically challenged but maybe should be.
Here's a non-religious example. I grew up with a disabled father in a time when there were no handicapped parking spaces or wheelchair ramps to enter buildings. My sister and I had to jump out of cars as children to stand in a spot close to a door until he could get the car there while people yelled at us and called us names because they couldn't get into the spot without running us over. We always had to call ahead if we were going somewhere to see if there were only a few steps my father might be able to climb on his artificial legs.
That's a situation in which people had to be taught to become aware that a segment of the population was being left out. People thought that was silly, too. I remember the howling and whining going on when a couple of parking spots were first set aside for people like my dad. The irony was that he lost his legs in combat fighting so that these idiots had the right to say whatever stupid thing they wanted to.
But time went on, and now no one questions that the disabled have the right to accommodations in public areas. I'm hoping that in time people will do the same with situations like this and consider it thoughtless and rude to force personal religious preferences on others in governmental-led meetings and events.
Fine post.
Sadly, this thread (and the world) is full of people who simply don't care about the feelings of those outside their little clan.
Taking offense just to take offense is not what we are talking about here. In a progressively-more-multicultural society such as the one in which we now live, I believe we need to open our eyes to areas where we may need to adjust behaviors that were not historically challenged but maybe should be.
Here's a non-religious example. I grew up with a disabled father in a time when there were no handicapped parking spaces or wheelchair ramps to enter buildings. My sister and I had to jump out of cars as children to stand in a spot close to a door until he could get the car there while people yelled at us and called us names because they couldn't get into the spot without running us over. We always had to call ahead if we were going somewhere to see if there were only a few steps my father might be able to climb on his artificial legs.
That's a situation in which people had to be taught to become aware that a segment of the population was being left out. People thought that was silly, too. I remember the howling and whining going on when a couple of parking spots were first set aside for people like my dad. The irony was that he lost his legs in combat fighting so that these idiots had the right to say whatever stupid thing they wanted to.
But time went on, and now no one questions that the disabled have the right to accommodations in public areas. I'm hoping that in time people will do the same with situations like this and consider it thoughtless and rude to force personal religious preferences on others in governmental-led meetings and events.
IMO, that is absolutely the case. In the meantime, however, we will experience growing pains. They will pass.
I'm so sorry that you and your sister, as little girls, were subject to shouts from strangers for saving a parking space.
Exactly. i am very happy that we live in a country where we value every person’s need to feel whole. This is why a community that wishes to have a prayer before delving into budgets and finance so they may all make sound judgements that will serve community needs and not serve only selfish entitlements, should be accommodate as well. It sets the tone for keeping the focus community.
Because otherwise they are incapable of making sound judgments? Then they shouldn't be in office.
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Legitimate exclusion and tangible harm are inexcusable, MQ. But we are destroying the reasonable in pursuit of perfection when we trivialize to the level of merely "taking offense," IMO.
