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Old 04-21-2021, 02:52 PM
 
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I don't understand why you keep asking about this when it has been clearly explained several times. Here is a link to an article explaining the long history of the school (and other) public prayer issue.

https://www.historynet.com/scotus-10...ic-schools.htm

This wikipedia article explains that the prohibition against government sponsored prayer also applies to all the government bodies in the United States, not just the federal government.
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I am not asking about anything. I am stating my belief that it is a foolish endeavor for an organization to try and stop prayer at civil ceremonies. Prayer and religious texts are very much part of American life. The one and only condition is the that the government cannot establish any religion but it does not prohibit the practice of any religion, which prayer is. And this is happening all the time as it was clearly demonstrated on the streets of Minneapolis yesterday when people prayed in relief. It is a natural part of being human.

 
Old 04-21-2021, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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That seems kind of self serving of the church does it not?
How so?

The duty of the Church is to lead people to eternal salvation and provide the means for it.

Submitting to Christ's Kingship is a necessary step towards salvation.

If the Church failed to proclaim Christ's Kingship, she would be abysmally failing in her primary duty.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 02:57 PM
 
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stopping prayer and only having Christian prayer are different matters. If they took turns with lots of different religious prayers that would be fine. In fact, it would be a teaching moment when a person freaks out at a prayer or a different religion's prayer. We could point that person out and show others what to look for.

Islam is the dividing line. That religion seeks to be the government to me. If they would change that I would be more open to it.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:02 PM
 
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stopping prayer and only having Christian prayer are different matters. If they took turns with lots of different religious prayers that would be fine. In fact, it would be a teaching moment when a person freaks out at a prayer or a different religion's prayer. We could point that person out and show others what to look for.

Islam is the dividing line. That religion seeks to be the government to me. If they would change that I would be more open to it.
Honestly? If an area is mostly Muslim, then let them do Muslim prayers. The school should reflect the local population. I'm not Mennonite, but I know a town where it's only Mennonites, and they pray before the day starts. It doesn't offend me. That's who they are.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:04 PM
 
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Honestly? If an area is mostly Muslim, then let them do Muslim prayers. The school should reflect the local population. I'm not Mennonite, but I know a town where it's only Mennonites, and they pray before the day starts. It doesn't offend me. That's who they are.
You have a point. I do not have an answer for it. I would probably accept it. They just seem more about government also to me. But I could be wrong. I mean Christians were that way at one time also.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:09 PM
 
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You don't have any desire to figure out whether your beliefs are correct or incorrect?
Of course, but religious belief is a very subjective thing. I was a fundamental Christian for decades and then I wasn't. Beliefs can change and in my case they did. Not saying one is good and one is bad. It just is.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:11 PM
 
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good people are good people. Rational people are rational people.

They tend to express their beliefs in a rational helpful way.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Of course, but religious belief is a very subjective thing. I was a fundamental Christian for decades and then I wasn't. Beliefs can change and in my case they did. Not saying one is good and one is bad. It just is.
I believe that Truth exists. I also believe that God, who is Ultimate Truth, has created a world in which it is possible to discover Truth. It's our duty to seek it out; and if we seek it, we will find it.

Our beliefs should change over time as they gradually conform to belief in what is True.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:19 PM
 
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You have a point. I do not have an answer for it. I would probably accept it. They just seem more about government also to me. But I could be wrong. I mean Christians were that way at one time also.
None of the American Muslims I know seem to seek to be government. They just want to be successful in business.
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Old 04-21-2021, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I believe that Truth exists. I also believe that God, who is Ultimate Truth, has created a world in which it is possible to discover Truth. It's our duty to seek it out; and if we seek it, we will find it.

Our beliefs should change over time as they gradually conform to belief in what is True.
I agree with the bold. I realized Catholicism (Christianity) was not only not true, it was silly.

And your proclamation of Jesus as KING OF THE WORLD, gave me the best laugh I've had in a month.
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