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I would like to thank her and the guy who wants our politicians to proclaim his god as our king...they show every thinking person just what the danger of their position is. It's sort of like a guy in a trial who keeps damaging his own case by talking.
People who pray also pay taxes. I think I have asked you before what is organized public prayer? I have never seen one. Looks like you fighting a phantom, or a cause looking for a fight.
When you go to say a city council meeting, and they open it with prayer. Or a school board meeting. Or a school sporting event. That's an organized public prayer. They are both inappropriate and illegal.
You have never experienced one? You are quite fortunate. I wish that I could say the same.
People who pray also pay taxes. I think I have asked you before what is organized public prayer? I have never seen one. Looks like you fighting a phantom, or a cause looking for a fight.
I guess I wasted my time posting links to the court rulings. It's obvious you didn't read them.
When you go to say a city council meeting, and they open it with prayer. Or a school board meeting. Or a school sporting event. That's an organized public prayer. They are both inappropriate and illegal.
You have never experienced one? You are quite fortunate. I wish that I could say the same.
I do know what you are referring to, but can I ask you what exactly their praying imposed on you? How were you harmed, or hurt, or otherwise inconvenienced or put upon by what they did?
When you go to say a city council meeting, and they open it with prayer. Or a school board meeting. Or a school sporting event. That's an organized public prayer. They are both inappropriate and illegal.
You have never experienced one? You are quite fortunate. I wish that I could say the same.
They all sound like city council meeting, school board meeting, school sporting event, not organized public prayer. Some open with a prayer some don't. Only if an employee of those institutions say the prayer it is a problem. If the invite a a community member to volunteer a prayer, it is not. Appropriateness is an opinion.
And yet we have the President of the USA, an employee, saying a prayer, asking God to Bless America and we all watch it on TV.
Why does the Frff not taking him to court? Has it tried?
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They all sound like city council meeting, school board meeting, school sporting event, not organized public prayer. Some open with a prayer some don't. Only if an employee of those institutions say the prayer it is a problem. If the invite a a community member to volunteer a prayer, it is not. Appropriateness is an opinion.
And yet we have the President of the USA, an employee, saying a prayer, asking God to Bless America and we all watch it on TV.
Why does the Frff not taking him to court? Has it tried?
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Religion is as natural to being human as is science, art, ethics, and politics, Santayana said.
Hatred of religion, he said, “is insensibility to the plight of man and all that man truly loves.”
He declared himself an atheist.
Prayer is the practice of religion, not any particular religion, any religion.
I don’t know if atheists pray, because then I don’t know who they pray to if they do not believe in a deity. I am willing to be relieved of this ignorance in this matter, but then who really knows? Foxhole and all that.
The “separation” of Church and State in the US constitution is somewhat ambiguous in that it does not show enmity to religion as do the Europeans. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepa...irst_Amendment
The Atheist war against prayer in public places is misguided considering the humongous amount of human rights and civil right violations against humanity present right now. Starting the day with a prayer or a town hall meeting with a prayer for guidance is simply a human thing to do. Whether such prayer is answered or there is a god to hear this is the wrong question. That it helps those who pray and those who hear the prayer in ways that cannot be expressed is what is important.
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If it’s a private institution, then I’d say sure have at it. I don’t really care, and I’d wager that most folks don’t, either.
But the constitution and subsequent law laid down by SCOTUS is clear. Public institutions have to steer clear of any religious undertakings. It’s not a suppression of religion, it’s both a measure to keep the country from being a theocracy, and a measure to ensure that no one religious order has the power to suppress any other religious orders, or to impose religion on those who don’t care to partake.
That’s a pretty simple thing to understand, methinks.
If it’s a private institution, then I’d say sure have at it. I don’t really care, and I’d wager that most folks don’t, either.
But the constitution and subsequent law laid down by SCOTUS is clear. Public institutions have to steer clear of any religious undertakings. It’s not a suppression of religion, it’s both a measure to keep the country from being a theocracy, and a measure to ensure that no one religious order has the power to suppress any other religious orders, or to impose religion on those who don’t care to partake.
That’s a pretty simple thing to understand, methinks.
Sure, except there is nothing simple about it. Saying prayer before getting down to the business of budgets, expenses and taxes is a simple thing. How dies that morph in to becoming a theocracy? That is ridiculous. It will require an amendment of the constitution and that is not happening. Even the most religious, other the Escapee from Alabama, would not want that.
America and Americans do not have enmity with religion or prayers and yet is strictly secular. It is unique in that way and a model for many countries.
It is an atheist’s problem.
Sure, except there is nothing simple about it. Saying prayer before getting down to the business of budgets, expenses and taxes is a simple thing. How dies that morph in to becoming a theocracy? That is ridiculous. It will require an amendment of the constitution and that is not happening. Even the most religious, other the Escapee from Alabama, would not want that.
America and Americans do not have enmity with religion or prayers and yet is strictly secular. It is unique in that way and a model for many countries. It is an atheist’s problem.
Sure, except there is nothing simple about it. Saying prayer before getting down to the business of budgets, expenses and taxes is a simple thing. How dies that morph in to becoming a theocracy? That is ridiculous. It will require an amendment of the constitution and that is not happening. Even the most religious, other the Escapee from Alabama, would not want that.
America and Americans do not have enmity with religion or prayers and yet is strictly secular. It is unique in that way and a model for many countries.
It is an atheist’s problem.
No its not. Is there a legitimate reason for amending tour constitution to allow including prayer in government functions? A logical and rational set of reasons to 0rovided to all the governments to approve the amendment? Has thete been a problem with government not being able to function properly or being unable to produce good legislation due to the lack of a prayer?
It is not an atheists problem, it's a problem that some people like yourself would do almost anything to put down atheists.
Which countries is the States a model for in this subject.?
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