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That is correct...it is not possible. That often miserable & malevolent human nature, ya see.
I obviously hold the philosophy of The Golden Rule in great regard...but human nature corrupts the best application of that concept.
The attitude and character of many people is very negative.
They will even lie to try to put what they don't prefer in a bad light.
Like what you do here relative to Christianity. It was founded on a philosophy of Love Each Other...including your enemies who you are supposed to love also, and even bless. You are to "turn the other cheek", "do for the least of these", "do not avenge yourself", "be peaceful to all", etc.
But you note the human character failing that causes people to fall short of that and claim it was also founded upon "as long as they are in the club, and in the correct version of that club"...which is not true.
You are the Poster Child for that failing...since the Religious (especially Christians) are "not in your club" by holding a similar view, you insult & mock...indicative of your contempt, instead of blessings and love for them.
I thought Christianity was founded on the crucifixion of Jesus together with his resurrection from the dead...
Ironically you are the one lying here, by omission. The earliest Christian texts also damned those not in the club, from Paul and Clement to the later gospels.
Come back when you have read the Bible. Paul was quite clear on what he thought of those teaching a different gospel to his, as did Clement, and their texts were used in the allegorical gospels which also made it clear what would happen to those outside of the club.
Also, things like turn the other cheek are theological, and has nothing to do with love and peace. It comes from Paul's teaching about not getting distracted by battles outside of Christianity, the Christians should be preparing for the end of times.
And again you resort to lying. I mock your (and other) bad arguments, and hold fundamentalism in contempt, otherwise you will find it difficult to find a post of mine that actually insults or mocks religion. It may be that some theists can not handle uncomfortable facts, and find them insulting and mocking, but it is not my problem the truth hurts.
You are projecting your contempt, you even attack those defending freedom of religion.
"Turn the other cheek", lovng/blessing enemies, etc, comes from The Sermon On The Mount...straight from Jesus, the namesake and person the Religion was founded upon.
It may be the most well known part of The Bible...I think it's you that hasn't read it, or your miserable attitude toward Christianity has caused the issue.
All you do is criticize Religion & Theism and those who are Religious and/or Theists and anything they say about the belief/endorsement of Religious or Theist ideas.
Show me a post of yours where you said Religion and/or God-Belief was good or even valid.
Because you view it so negatively, it's all a "bad arguments" to you.
Your thousands upon thousands of posts, for years, are 99% miserable toward the title subject of this Forum and those that embrace it, and I point that out.
One would be hard-pressed to find another person that has gotten on another Forum for any subject and done that...what you are doing is epically miserable.
It's actually what I find so entertaining about this board...like a horror movie or "insult-comedy" (ie: Don Rickles) is entertaining.
I thought Christianity was founded on the crucifixion of Jesus together with his resurrection from the dead...
CHRISTianity was founded upon Jesus, in general. Everything about Him, from his birth, his life, everything he said and did, and his execution (especially how he handled it) & what was written to have happened subsequently.
CHRISTianity was founded upon Jesus, in general. Everything about Him, from his birth, his life, everything he said and did, and his execution (especially how he handled it) & what was written to have happened subsequently.
With all due respect as I sign off now to get on with our customary BSB...
We all know what you explain here too. I was simply noting what you wrote about Christianity in your prior comment; "It was founded on a philosophy of Love Each Other"
So not really based on a philosophy but on what happened to Jesus. You are getting closer to the truth now with this more recent comment. Although I'm sure for you it's all the same just like everything else.
Here's to a blessed Memorial Day Weekend all!
To all who fought the good fight and continue to do so going forward...
So yin and yang all over again? "Is what it is?" A bunch of "good, bad and ugly" from all sides? I really struggle to understand what you are explaining along these lines that we don't all know, but just to be clear about where I'm coming from...
Just because something is subjective does NOT mean people can't judge right from wrong, better over worse. Or shouldn't do so. Just because there may be people who think it is okay to beat a dog from a subjective standpoint does NOT mean people are not called upon to judge regardless. Objectively. To judge right from wrong.
The only issue I have is not as you describe. It's a lack of objectivity that I take issue with. The overwhelming confirmation bias you always display when it comes to only seeing one side of the issue rather than the complete picture. At a minimum, none of us need a lesson about all the good, bad and ugly that exists. We make progress because there are people who display good sound judgement rather than throw up their hands because judgement is subjective. I mean get a clue already...
I sometimes wonder if anything is truly objective.
One year we got our NCLB test results back and I gave the results to my two assistant principals and said we'd talk about the results at our Friday meeting. At the Friday meeting I asked each of them how they interpreted the data. The first AP said, "Well, I'm really concerned that our test scores took a dip in math and special ed. I think we need to sit down with those departments and get some explanations from them". The other AP said, "Wait a minute now. Our test scores in those departments did dip, but among the 24 middle schools in the county, we still had the highest test scores".
But I agree with you that it's very problematic when you find someone who can't judge right from wrong.
A couple of times one of our other posters has said that there's nothing wrong with being selfish. I think sometimes that's true. But I think that sometimes that's very wrong.
CHRISTianity was founded upon Jesus, in general. Everything about Him, from his birth, his life, everything he said and did, and his execution (especially how he handled it) & what was written to have happened subsequently.
First you argue the Bible is an allegorical work, and is not meant to be taken literally, now you are taking the allegorical gospels literally.
CHRISTianity was founded upon Jesus, in general. Everything about Him, from his birth, his life, everything he said and did, and his execution (especially how he handled it) & what was written to have happened subsequently.
again ... they misunderstand your claims. well, I say they are knowingly distorting it.
some people take Jesus and the bible literally. We can predict how they will react, as you did, based on that.
You do not take it literally, and have said so repeatability.
so they chunk what you are saying and present the chunks as needed.
literal bible/jesus is kind of meaningless and counters observations. Jesus teachings, although I am not his type of socialist, can be a solid base to build a society when we look at it from non literal perspectives of, love, compassion, understanding, and a sprinkle of forgiveness. As you have stated in your own words.
The absolute value of its impact is clear. And it is not all "evil" despite what the masses of recovering and scarred from religion say.
However, they are correct in saying it needs to change, better stated as grow up.
of, the reason they have to distort what you say is that it make so much sense ... they have to cover it in BS.
First you argue the Bible is an allegorical work, and is not meant to be taken literally, now you are taking the allegorical gospels literally.
You are not a consistent poster.
And this was my exact complaint quite a few posts ago. That christians/religionists want to have it both ways. They want to claim that the bible is a virtual history book and argue about the facts of the bible. Then they turn around and tell us that the bible is allegorical. How convenient.
Now, there are people who say that people never change their mind based on what is posted on a forum. This is a good example of where I have, over the last several years. I used to believe that some of the bible was literal, while other parts were allegorical. But as I have watched these biblical sycophants play this ever-changing game I have decided that their behavior is proof enough for me that the bible is allegorical. And that means:
No adam and eve
No noah and great flood
No moses on mount sinai being given the commandment tablets
No crucifixion
No resurrection
All just allegorical stories to make some fictional point.
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