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You're so "off-base" it's hardly worth responding to. But, YES, I do HOLD ONTO FACTS. Sorry, but that is the way it is.
How dare you refer to me as a blind faith guy. I used to be such when I was RC, but have since opened my eyes to reality. It is the ultimate in stupidity (yours) to conflate the two, and deep shame accrues to you for doing so. It was, no doubt, not inadvertent.
Ah, you are a recovering believer, I though so, either recovering or scarred ... that explains a lot. maybe you are blind rage, but its amounts to the same thing.
Ah, you are a recovering believer, I though so, either recovering or scarred ... that explains a lot. maybe you are blind rage, but its amounts to the same thing.
Recovering, damaged, bitter & miserable, consumed with a vengeful attitude.
That figures...and tells a lot. Actually, standard fare, it seems.
Ah, you are a recovering believer, I though so, either recovering or scarred ... that explains a lot. maybe you are blind rage, but its amounts to the same thing.
You really should give up your psychoanalyzing. As Popeye said, "I am what I am", and what I am is NOTHING like what you say I am. I abandoned believing 4 decades or so ago. I am not "recovering" (perhaps you are in one 12 or so-step programs and are borrowing the spiel therefrom for lack of your own appropriate verbiage).
I am not in a rage, not now, and not ever. Frustrated by the blindness and abject dishonesty of believers, as well as the damage they do to the human race with their backwardness, to be sure, but not rage. I find this all amusing. OK, let me come out of the closet, I am studying to be the next Bill Mahr. OK, there. I said it. Don't tell Bill!!
Recovering, damaged, bitter & miserable, consumed with a vengeful attitude.
That figures...and tells a lot. Actually, standard fare, it seems.
Listen to you attempt (in vain) to talk like you have a clue. BTW, the subject of this thread is not Salty, so I suggest you try to stay on topic (if you have the intellectual honesty, or even if you don't).
You really should give up your psychoanalyzing. As Popeye said, "I am what I am", and what I am is NOTHING like what you say I am. I abandoned believing 4 decades or so ago. I am not "recovering" (perhaps you are in one 12 or so-step programs and are borrowing the spiel therefrom for lack of your own appropriate verbiage).
I am not in a rage, not now, and not ever. Frustrated by the blindness and abject dishonesty of believers, as well as the damage they do to the human race with their backwardness, to be sure, but not rage. I find this all amusing. OK, let me come out of the closet, I am studying to be the next Bill Mahr. OK, there. I said it. Don't tell Bill!!
I believe the sytem we are in matches life more than non life. I use the traits of life in a biology book to make that claim. to start.
where am I dishonest?
many people believe that we are in a system that is acting more like a unit than isolated pieces. based on things like spacetime and QED.
tell me where I am lying, dishonest, and not using observation?
do have something other than calling people names to say why I should list what you say and think it is more rational?
Wait.... if God is omniscient, He'd have already known that these creations of his were going to sin.
So how could his heart be troubled if He already knew this was coming?
That verse makes it sound like He was taken by surprise... but how could an omniscient being ever be surprised??
Well explain infinity to me. God has always been forever. God is the beginning or there never was a beginning. God was always here. No one created God. It's hard to grasp that concept because our limited human brains can only understand time as a linear line. Well God exists outside of time so our understanding of past, present and future may be different in reality to God. Therefore your idea of an omniscient God only fits in a linear time reality.
Or assuming God exists in the same linear time fashion as us, knowing and experiencing in the present are too different things. You don't know how something will feel on an emotional or what kind of thoughts it will give you until you experience it in the present. Just like last year with covid. We knew it was bad, but we didn't know how it would feel to live in a pandemic until we were in one. God knew that man would rebel, but when He saw it play out right in front of Him, He became sorry He ever created us.
You do realize that these are just opinions and are not proof of anything.
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Originally Posted by Salty Water
One of the things that believers do (or don't do) is ignore obvious, HUGE disconnects between what they profess on one hand, and what they profess on the other. Dots they old to be true, but which not only can't be connected, but are in direct contravention to each other.
Well-known radio host Dennis Prager is a believer in the perfect, all knowing god of the bible. A god to wise and powerful as to have created the Universe and all that is in it, including ALL the laws of nature, all the way down to the forces that hold the various particles of atoms together.
Yet, in the next breath, he describes mankind, the crowning achievement of this "creator", as being deeply flawed!
Whoa Nelly, how can that be. Onmi-whatever creator that is infinitely-wise and powerful, and the best he can come up with is a deeply flawed mankind! Really!
The contradiction is immense to the point of infinity.
I do agree that mankind is deeply flawed, so it must be the other side of the contradiction that is fatally-flawed, i.e. that there is an omni-this and omni-that creator., It simply can't be both ways if one is in the least bit intellectually-honest (not a characteristic, however, properly associated with believers or believing).
Well explain infinity to me. God has always been forever. God is the beginning or there never was a beginning. God was always here. No one created God. It's hard to grasp that concept because our limited human brains can only understand time as a linear line. Well God exists outside of time so our understanding of past, present and future may be different in reality to God. Therefore your idea of an omniscient God only fits in a linear time reality.
Or assuming God exists in the same linear time fashion as us, knowing and experiencing in the present are too different things. You don't know how something will feel on an emotional or what kind of thoughts it will give you until you experience it in the present. Just like last year with covid. We knew it was bad, but we didn't know how it would feel to live in a pandemic until we were in one. God knew that man would rebel, but when He saw it play out right in front of Him, He became sorry He ever created us.
Well explain infinity to me. God has always been forever. God is the beginning or there never was a beginning. God was always here. No one created God. It's hard to grasp that concept because our limited human brains can only understand time as a linear line. Well God exists outside of time so our understanding of past, present and future may be different in reality to God. Therefore your idea of an omniscient God only fits in a linear time reality.
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Yes, it clearly states in the bible that God is the beginning and the end.
God had a beginning and will have an end. God is not infinite and did not always exist. It's in the bible.
Yes, it clearly states in the bible that God is the beginning and the end.
God had a beginning and will have an end. God is not infinite and did not always exist. It's in the bible.
Doesnt say anything like that man, you just making things up, God has no beginning and has no end.
Lol, I mean, what are you even talking about?
You didnt get your ideas from the bible, and you are making false claims about the bible as if you knew the bible when you havent a clue.
Go talk about somebody else's book, you clearly fail when it comes to the bible.
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