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Old 08-31-2021, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I watched a very interesting movie today that some of you may be interested in...though not necessarily in agreement with. "Come Sunday" is the relatively true story of the excommunication of Carlton Pearson, a Black minister that was once seen as the possible successor to Oral Roberts. It was not scandal that resulted in his excommunication (at least not in the traditional use of the term), but because he began to preach "universal reconciliation".

I'm an atheist, so I'm not pushing this, but I thought it was an interesting story, and I did a little reading on the topic afterwards, and it's certainly something worth thinking about.

Pearson's ideas are summarized here: https://www.bishoppearson.com/beliefs , although they are part of a wider belief system.

One of the things I liked about the film was that it didn't attempt to point out anyone or any group as "bad", instead it did a fairly good job of getting into how different people perceived the reversal of the minister's teachings.

Very well done. I watched it on Netflix (but it was not a Netflix production, so it maybe available other places for streaming, as well).
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Old 08-31-2021, 05:35 PM
 
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Would not be a black racist type movie as the man was excommunicated for teaching universal reconciliation which is a fallen church teaching ...... and Oral Roberts was the real deal which God has Oral and today Oral Roberts would be in heaven with the living God ....... See universal reconciliation teaches that every one is saved of eternal damnation and God is not a just God, where the Just judgment God uses Jesus Christ as a saviour by the cross which all people who reject Jesus would by default put Jesus on the cross and crucify him by their personal sin which is the truth from the living God today
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Old 08-31-2021, 06:41 PM
 
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Would not be a black racist type movie as the man was excommunicated for teaching universal reconciliation which is a fallen church teaching ...... and Oral Roberts was the real deal which God has Oral and today Oral Roberts would be in heaven with the living God ....... See universal reconciliation teaches that every one is saved of eternal damnation and God is not a just God, where the Just judgment God uses Jesus Christ as a saviour by the cross which all people who reject Jesus would by default put Jesus on the cross and crucify him by their personal sin which is the truth from the living God today
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, ignorant blathering Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah,
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Old 08-31-2021, 09:15 PM
 
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Would not be a black racist type movie as the man was excommunicated for teaching universal reconciliation which is a fallen church teaching ...... and Oral Roberts was the real deal which God has Oral and today Oral Roberts would be in heaven with the living God ....... See universal reconciliation teaches that every one is saved of eternal damnation and God is not a just God, where the Just judgment God uses Jesus Christ as a saviour by the cross which all people who reject Jesus would by default put Jesus on the cross and crucify him by their personal sin which is the truth from the living God today
What has this got to do with racism?
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Old 09-01-2021, 08:15 AM
 
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Pearson was a bad teacher BEFORE he went uni. But yes, he did have a lot of followers.
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:07 AM
 
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Pearson was a bad teacher BEFORE he went uni. But yes, he did have a lot of followers.
A bad teacher because his beliefs don't make christians special?
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:15 AM
 
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A bad teacher because his beliefs don't make christians special?
Bad because they were wrong.

He was a prosperity preacher that bilked his followers. You defend that?
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:30 AM
 
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Bad because they were wrong.

He was a prosperity preacher that bilked his followers. You defend that?
In what ways did he bilk people?
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:31 AM
 
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In what ways did he bilk people?
You're not familiar with prosperity preachers and their cons?

Wow. That moment when a rabid anti-religious person defends a prosperity preacher con man.
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:47 AM
 
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Would not be a black racist type movie as the man was excommunicated for teaching universal reconciliation which is a fallen church teaching ...... and Oral Roberts was the real deal which God has Oral and today Oral Roberts would be in heaven with the living God ....... See universal reconciliation teaches that every one is saved of eternal damnation and God is not a just God, where the Just judgment God uses Jesus Christ as a saviour by the cross which all people who reject Jesus would by default put Jesus on the cross and crucify him by their personal sin which is the truth from the living God today
"Oral Roberts was the real deal which God has Oral and today Oral Roberts would be in heaven with the living God." - hljc

Back in the early fifties Oral Roberts came to town in one of his big tent traveling revival meetings. Part of his shtick was performing miracle "healings." My grandmother had been bedridden for years as the result of a series of strokes. She was most sincerely crippled. Her legs were totally useless. But her faith in God was everything to her. It was all encompassing. My family took her, in a wheel chair, to be healed by the great Oral Roberts. Oral Roberts prayed over her, and told her that if her faith in God was genuine, if she truly believed, she would rise from her wheel chair and walk. Try as she might though, she could not rise from her wheel chair and walk. Because she had an actual medical condition that prevented it. She was devastated to discover that apparently her faith in God was not strong enough. Shortly after seeing "the real deal" Oral Roberts and having her undeniable lack of faith exposed, she suffered another stroke and passed away a few weeks later.

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Oral Roberts
Harry McNevin said that in 1988 the ORU Board of Regents "rubber-stamped" the "use of millions in endowment money to buy a Beverly Hills property so that Oral Roberts could have a West Coast office and house."[55] In addition, he said a country club membership was purchased for the Roberts' home. The lavish expenses led to McNevin's resignation from the Board. In 1988, Oral Roberts and his son Richard were sued for $15 million in federal court by patients at City of Faith Medical Center, claiming the two were frauds who did not visit or heal patients in the hospital.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Robert

In 1989 Oral Roberts closed down his City of Faith Medical and Research Center.

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