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Old 08-04-2021, 05:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by phetaroi View Post
What you're doing is something we all do to one extent or another -- you're stereotyping, in this case, stereotyping atheists.

From my point of view there are two purposes that can be attached to debating. You appear to be guilty of the first type of debater -- you take a position and you declare you're right -- just because you say so -- and you tell people what is (in your view) correct.

There's another type of debating. It's when people talk back and forth and, to at least some extent learn what the "other" position is. That doesn't sound like what you do.

You are a dead end.
Using your logic, it would seem you and him have some things in common.

But again, you post another nothing of substance but insulting post. That alone is telling.

 
Old 08-04-2021, 06:10 PM
 
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No. You're still missing it.

We believe in what is provable.
We admit that not all things are not provable.
We admit that there are things we don't understand.

At least that's this atheist's thinking.
You are still missing the point. You apply a different set of standards to believing in stuff than you do yourself.

Claims that have a mechanism and repeatable predictions are more reliable than ones that don't. Your past lives belief means you are unreliable in determining the reliability of claims.

That fact that you are "not interested" in anything else but bash believers demonstrates that fact.

All he is really saying is that we may be in a living system. And to a person that believes what you do that should be an inoffensive statement of belief.
 
Old 08-04-2021, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You are still missing the point. You apply a different set of standards to believing in stuff than you do yourself.

Claims that have a mechanism and repeatable predictions are more reliable than ones that don't. Your past lives belief means you are unreliable in determining the reliability of claims.

That fact that you are "not interested" in anything else but bash believers demonstrates that fact.

All he is really saying is that we may be in a living system. And to a person that believes what you do that should be an inoffensive statement of belief.
Your viewpoints don't interest me. Follow someone else around.
 
Old 08-04-2021, 06:12 PM
 
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Ok, maybe atheists think paranormal things are possible, but they think it's extremely unlikely. In their world view, only what is already known to science exists, and nothing new is going to be discovered.
yup, try not to get roped in by some of the atheist here. Many of them scarred for life. They really don't even try and think outside of what happened to them.

Things like a system that seems to be alive is really inoffensive by most atheist. They are ok with it. And in fact, it has been my experience that the more trained they are the less offensive the claim becomes.
 
Old 08-04-2021, 06:16 PM
 
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Your viewpoints don't interest me. Follow someone else around.
No they don't Phet. Quite frankly, anything that challenges your world view is of no interest to you. Maybe a better way of saying it is that if a person doesn't bow to the great phet and his experiences, they are ignored.

Why don't you stop following believers just to bash them all the time. Especially with that past lives beliefs you have.

You know the one, where you walked around a city and banged into churches. SOOO ... it must have been a past life directing you. Lmao ... had to be a past life, walking in a city ... too funny.

My bad ...

Get back to bashing people that believe we may be in a living system ... that is so far fetched.

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Old 08-04-2021, 06:19 PM
 
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Your viewpoints don't interest me. Follow someone else around.
Maybe if you consulted with one of your other selves...they could explain it to you, and it would be more interesting.
Just a thought.
 
Old 08-04-2021, 06:39 PM
 
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What you're doing is something we all do to one extent or another -- you're stereotyping, in this case, stereotyping atheists.

From my point of view there are two purposes that can be attached to debating. You appear to be guilty of the first type of debater -- you take a position and you declare you're right -- just because you say so -- and you tell people what is (in your view) correct.

There's another type of debating. It's when people talk back and forth and, to at least some extent learn what the "other" position is. That doesn't sound like what you do.

You are a dead end.
Well go somewhere else if that's what you think.
 
Old 08-04-2021, 07:08 PM
 
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Some of the atheists who were regular posters asked us if we could post a FAQ. They provided the definitions. All of the moderators at that time checked the definitions with common dictionary sources. This was done o avoid confusion over the terms.

It avoids things like this (we actually had this happen): Somebody said he was an atheist that believed in God.
Pew survey shows that in the USA, roughly one-in-five self-described atheists (18%) say they do believe in some kind of higher power.
And 5% of atheists say they believe in God. Pew surveys in 2018 and 2019 show that 4% of American adults say they are atheists when asked about their religious identity.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...bout-atheists/

Pew survey also shows this:
5% of atheists believe in God
5% of atheists believe in heaven
3% of atheists pray regularly
32% of atheists meditate regularly
3% of atheists believe in hell
11% of atheists read scripture regularly

https://www.pewforum.org/religious-l...amily/atheist/
 
Old 08-04-2021, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Well go somewhere else if that's what you think.
Thank you for your open-mindedness, thus verifying my point.
 
Old 08-04-2021, 07:27 PM
 
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yup, try not to get roped in by some of the atheist here. Many of them scarred for life. They really don't even try and think outside of what happened to them.

Things like a system that seems to be alive is really inoffensive by most atheist. They are ok with it. And in fact, it has been my experience that the more trained they are the less offensive the claim becomes.
Any atheists I have communicated with were materialists, and could not imagine a living conscious universe. Anyone who thinks the universe is conscious is usually open to ideas of the paranormal, and atheists generally are not.

I know that Buddhists are supposedly atheists. But aside from that, atheism usually means a disbelief in anything spiritual.
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