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Add that to the fact that you cannot explain how life got started in the first place, if the universe is dead and mindless. We CAN explain it, as a natural expression of a living universe. Why not go with the simpler and more sensible theory?
I have explained, chemistry. You can not, because how can life start life if life had not started yet?
You keep repeating the universe is alive without defining what life, something you must do if life is not a chemical reaction.
Nobody can explain how life got started. There are various hypotheses, but no compelling evidence. I can't imagine why this lack of evidence is so hard to understand.
when we compare (Take a measurement) of the system around us to a cell, virus, and something not alive, it clearly is closer to alive than not alive. That aliveness seems to the driving force they speak of.
I can't imagine why that is so hard to understand. And why people have to avoid it like the plague is a whole 'nother issue indeed.
when we compare (Take a measurement) of the system around us to a cell, virus, and something not alive, it clearly is closer to alive than not alive. That aliveness seems to the driving force they speak of.
I can't imagine why that is so hard to understand. And why people have to avoid it like the plague is a whole 'nother issue indeed.
When one doesn't believe in something, that doesn't mean that they're avoiding it.
Under current definitions the rocks in my yard are non living and the deer walking through my gsrden are living.
But how about a virus? If biologists can debate that question then maybe the difference between living and non living is not so binary. And do we know what was around in the start? Maybe something even less living or non living than a virus?
As respects "Creation"...it doesn't matter "how" or "why"...it really only matters "What" did the creating.
"How" or "why" just satisfies curiosity..."what" lets us know what it is we are dealing with.
And, I submit, whatever Entity all that creation was/is by and through...is reasonably "God".
See content in the R&S Pantheism thread for what said creation is by and through.
Of course it is relevant. If chance did not create complex organs, what did?
You are claiming some cosmic consciousness exists while saying chance can not create complex body parts, so you need to explain what DOES create complex body parts.
And if it is this cosmic consciousness, you need to explain how it does this.
If it is through altering genetic code, you need to explain how it does this.
If it is not through altering genetic code, you need to explain the how this cosmic consciousness creates creates complex organs.
And how does this cosmic consciousness know what to change?
And where does it store this knowledge?
These are 7 questions your theory raises, and to be accepted, the answers must have evidence AND explain the data better than chance.
I have asked these several times now, and all we get is evasion.
If you do not know, then how can you argue it did?
There are some things that no one knows. The evolution by chance and selection theory claims to completely explain evolution, it claims to have solved the greatest mystery. We can argue against it without having an alternate theory that also claims to completely explain everything.
It is very silly to expect detailed descriptions of how or why he intelligent universe generates life. But there have been scientists and philosophers with some pretty good sensible ideas that can help us understand some of it.
I have explained, chemistry. You can not, because how can life start life if life had not started yet?
You keep repeating the universe is alive without defining what life, something you must do if life is not a chemical reaction.
Most of us have a pretty good idea of what life is. We see complex machinery growing every where, keeping itself alive, fixing itself, fighting, playing, loving, competing for resources. We see that it evolves, has emerged in ever more creative forms.
Modern materialists have clung to the old idea of the deterministic clockwork universe -- a world devoid of creativity or intelligence. Any creativity or intelligence is somehow generated by certain cells called neurons.
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