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Old 07-29-2021, 02:30 PM
 
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Apparently all the Bahai teachings about various personalities being manifestations of God such as Krishna, Buddha, etc. did not exist before Shoghi Effendi since he was the first person to discuss it.
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Old 07-29-2021, 06:07 PM
 
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The Bahai system of Baha'u'llah always advocated and advocates unity of religions, but they can't seem to establish it in their own movement.
The idea of multiple manifestations throughout religions was initiated by Baha'u'llah, not the Bab, and developed I guess by Shoghi Effendi who was identified as the infallible "First Guardian" of the faith. Not unlike the Imam of a particular Shi'a sect, such as the Ismailis.
i was invited on

at a small town group meeting at NorCal, i noticed Islam was highly mentioned even that nobody was Muslim.
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Old 08-05-2021, 02:21 PM
 
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I supposed the starting point of figuring out what went on with Ali Muhammad of Shiraz, known as the Bab, is the book called the Bayan that he wrote when he was only in his twenties. Regardless of the merit of the teachings, one wonders what the official Muslim establishment had to say about such writings written by such a young man who did not have extensive detailed religious training and education in Persia.
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Old 08-08-2021, 05:22 PM
 
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How can Bahai'ism claim to be a religion for the ENTIRE WORLD if it depends on the acceptance of the Quran as a divine book and Muhammed as a prophet, which are MUSLIM beliefs?? If people don't accept the claims of Islam, how can they accept the claims of an offshoot of Shi'a Islam called the Bahai religion?
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Old 08-08-2021, 07:11 PM
 
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How can Bahai'ism claim to be a religion for the ENTIRE WORLD if it depends on the acceptance of the Quran as a divine book and Muhammed as a prophet, which are MUSLIM beliefs?? If people don't accept the claims of Islam, how can they accept the claims of an offshoot of Shi'a Islam called the Bahai religion?
The set-up is to claim their name above all names.
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Old 08-08-2021, 08:13 PM
 
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Old 08-11-2021, 04:31 AM
 
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How can Bahai'ism claim to be a religion for the ENTIRE WORLD if it depends on the acceptance of the Quran as a divine book and Muhammed as a prophet, which are MUSLIM beliefs?? If people don't accept the claims of Islam, how can they accept the claims of an offshoot of Shi'a Islam called the Bahai religion?
I thought Shi'a were seen as polytheistic to other Muslims?
Don't a lot about the Baha'i faith.
It originated in Iran?
It seems great in theory, but too many divisions between religions and indeed within religions to see it working, or becoming a universal religion.
Hardcore Evangelical Christians would never accept it either, as a "false doctrine" and having "false prophets", which then leads to the "I never knew you" quotes.
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:34 AM
 
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There are apparently clear distinctions in the ideologies/teachings presented by each of the revered leaders of the Bahai, starting from the pre-Bahai "messiah figure" called the Bab (who was executed at 30 years old), the official founder of the Bahai, Baha'u'llah, his son, Abdul Baha, and his grandson, Shoghi Effendi. The multiple list of "manifestations" was claimed I think by Shoghi Effendi (who was the last official leader and died in 1957) who included non-Abrahamic figures.
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Old 08-14-2021, 12:48 AM
 
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There are apparently clear distinctions in the ideologies/teachings presented by each of the revered leaders of the Bahai, starting from the pre-Bahai "messiah figure" called the Bab (who was executed at 30 years old), the official founder of the Bahai, Baha'u'llah, his son, Abdul Baha, and his grandson, Shoghi Effendi. The multiple list of "manifestations" was claimed I think by Shoghi Effendi (who was the last official leader and died in 1957) who included non-Abrahamic figures.
I actually don’t have a problem with the different manifestations arguments.
To condemn someone to eternal hell “because they didn’t find Christ “ on earth, for instance and as one example, seems to be a very harsh judgement.
The blending with some (but not all) eastern religions though, is a little bit more confusing.
I certainly would be interested to research this religion more though.
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Old 08-29-2021, 08:03 PM
 
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What I don't understand is how the universalist ideology of Bahaism of Baha'u'llah can fit with its particularist origins in Shia Islam. After all, the claims of Bahaism are rooted in the original acceptance of the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. But if most people don't accept these fundamental ideas that are embedded in Bahaism, how could they then accept the teachings of Baha'u'llah etc for universalism??
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