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I don't think basing anything on "we don't know it all so I think ..." is that reliable.
I think its better stated "We see some thing(s) that may point to another existence.". They are in serous doubt, but still the "belief" is being based on "we see [this], [that], and [the other] so I think it means ...." is more reliable.
I just think starting any claim off of "we don;t know so I believe ..." is far thinner than what I said above.
To your last para ... same here.
"There is no real reason to suppose that the state of non existence that occurs after death is in any way different from the state of non existence that occurred prior to conception." - TotN.
Based off your deeds and religiousness, do you think you will go to heaven or hell? Of course nobody knows this answer for sure, but I thought it would be a fun poll!
I don't want to presume, but I sure as he'll hope it's Heaven.
"Hope" is exactly right. Hope is the basis for wishful thinking. Observation, on the other hand, is simply a matter accepting what direct examination has to tell us. Direct observation tells us that all living things die and decompose back into their component particles. Wishful thinking does not alter that.
"Hope" is exactly right. Hope is the basis for wishful thinking. Observation, on the other hand, is simply a matter accepting what direct examination has to tell us. Direct observation tells us that all living things die and decompose back into their component particles. Wishful thinking does not alter that.
True dat. Many years ago, I was involved in a research study on terminally-ill patients who were being offered highly-experimental (i.e., unproven) treatment, having failed standard therapies. The results suggested there was an important difference between HOPE and EXPECTATION. No one wanted these patients to lose hope, but recognized it would be misleading (on our part) and psychologically unhealthy (on their part), if they entered this experimental, unproven approach with unrealistic expectations.
The same distinction might apply here, even if the scenario is different. Or maybe it isn't all that different, since "we're all gonna die?"
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Based off your deeds and religiousness, do you think you will go to heaven or hell? Of course nobody knows this answer for sure, but I thought it would be a fun poll!
Except that biblically speaking, whether you go to heaven or hell is NOT based on your deeds, but on faith in Christ Jesus. So your premise on which you are basing your poll is wrong.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Except that biblically speaking, whether you go to heaven or hell is NOT based on your deeds, but on faith in Christ Jesus. So your premise on which you are basing your poll is wrong.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Is it true or not, based on the verses you quoted Heaven is strickly a Christian place or belief? And only open to Christian s and those who regardless of their own religion accept Jesus as their saviour so in essence Christians? Which would make them Christians then.
So obvious myself and all.my forefathers could possibily go to Heaven no matter how good or religious they were but they stayed Jews or were atheists. I do notvknow if they were good or bad people as the records of oppressed people usually either are never created or never kept
Can believers not understand how a non Christian conceives this concept as the opposite of a fair, just and loving God? Did Jesus. Mary, Mary,s mother and grandparents not allowed into Heaven?
If Heaven is for in facto only for Christians can the same also be said for Hell?
And for Baptistfundie these questions are not intended as hate upon your God but for the purpose of trying to understand those who believe differently from myself
Except that biblically speaking, whether you go to heaven or hell is NOT based on your deeds, but on faith in Christ Jesus. So your premise on which you are basing your poll is wrong.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Qur'an 31-8
Surely those who believe (in Allah) and do good will have the Gardens of Bliss
To enter paradise you have to be a Muslim, it doesn't matter if you were a good person or if you did good deeds, if you're not a Muslim they don't count.
"There is no real reason to suppose that the state of non existence that occurs after death is in any way different from the state of non existence that occurred prior to conception." - TotN.
yup,
LMAO, one problem, the nonsense of past lives supports that claim.
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