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Ah ... political is always in the back of some atheist minds.
You do realize that some of us are not afraid, right?
What? Like politics isn't on the back of many people's minds? Again for all variety of reasons? Whether we are atheist or not?
Afraid of what?
Your comments go from strange to odd, but what's new? Perplexing at a minimum. Hey, but that's me. I just don't understand where you are coming from most of the time or where you are going. Hate to ignore you, but I doubt my replies are any more worth reading far as you are concerned. Fair enough...
PS: Also please note what the article was all about. Though it APPLIES to politics, I posted it here because it is essentially about this dynamic that has us develop the opinions we do. Here in this forum most certainly too! This problem of beating the suffocating effects of confirmation bias. Seems that zipped right past you however. Not about politics in any case!
Believers can't understand how non believers fail to see that the world around us could only be as complex as it is because of a creator Being.
Non believers can't understand why believers postulate an even more complex step, a creator Being, and then fail to make any attempt to explain how the creator Being came to be.
Why imagine an extra step?
Meanwhile... science is working to explain how the complexity of the world around us is in fact the current result of entirely natural processes at work. No extra step necessary.
The complexity that you refer to is precisely what Brhman, God, the Oneness is. Science is stepping up to Reality. Believers have no quarrel with Science. It is doing its methodical thing only affirming what we already understand.
Some people wait for Science to tell them what to believe.
The complexity that you refer to is precisely what Brhman, God, the Oneness is. Science is stepping up to Reality. Believers have no quarrel with Science. It is doing its methodical thing only affirming what we already understand.
Some people wait for Science to tell them what to believe.
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Some people wait for Science to tell them what to believe.
Having no access to the discoveries of modern science, ancient people simply make up answers to explain those things for which they had no means to understand and then declared those answers to be, well, gospel. "Some people" still subscribe to ancient make believe to this day.
It is ... only affirming what we already understand.
So religion already knew about wireless technology, quantum mechanics, e=mc2, black holes and event horizons, chemotherapy, 100 billion galaxies, electricity, motors, solar power, etc.
Please tell us what the bible is hiding on a cure for HIV. Don't be so selfish with what you already know that could help people and lend credibility to the god claim.
Believers can't understand how non believers fail to see that the world around us could only be as complex as it is because of a creator Being.
Non believers can't understand why believers postulate an even more complex step, a creator Being, and then fail to make any attempt to explain how the creator Being came to be.
Why imagine an extra step?
Meanwhile... science is working to explain how the complexity of the world around us is in fact the current result of entirely natural processes at work. No extra step necessary.
I just wish people like you would explain exactly what this nature IS that is responsible for these natural processes. That always seems to be the missing step in attributing agency or causality. I suspect the answer is no different than the one for God, "It just is what it is."
So religion already knew about wireless technology, quantum mechanics, e=mc2, black holes and event horizons, chemotherapy, 100 billion galaxies, electricity, motors, solar power, etc.
Please tell us what the bible is hiding on a cure for HIV. Don't be so selfish with what you already know that could help people and lend credibility to the god claim.
You are getting pedantic. Brhman exists at the macro level. Every single concept and things you can name, it exists in it. It exists in everything, every single thing, no exception. The way it is expressed and its manifestations are many. The water in the ocean is in many forms, waves and foam. It is all water. Electricity is one energy, manifests in your radio, TV, light bulb.
And Brhman exists in us, every one of us, because we too are names and forms.
Religion is an entirely different matter. Religion too proclaim the same truth. But because the text is expressing what is inexpressible in words that are limited, the texts need interpretation. Mistakes can happen in interpretation.
This is the reason to study the texts carefully and understand clearly.
I just wish people like you would explain exactly what this nature IS that is responsible for these natural processes. That always seems to be the missing step in attributing agency or causality. I suspect the answer is no different than the one for God, "It just is what it is."
It's difficult to slip detailed scientific explanations past the mods. But the brief explanation for what is responsible for natural processes is referred to as quantum mechanics. Certain of the quanta, the minimum amount of any physical entity (physical property) involved in an interaction, vibrate at frequencies that are arbitrarily labeled as positive and negative. Oppositely vibrating quanta are massively attracted to each other. Quanta with like vibrations are repelled by each other. This attraction/repulsion process at the level of the quanta (the sub micro level) drives everything that occurs at the macro level. Our level. I have been explaining this for years, but some people do wish to hear that which they prefer not to believe.
Could God be responsible for the interaction of the quanta? Sure! But then we are left with the question of what/who is responsible for God. We only know what we know. People have a tendency to make up the rest.
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It's difficult to slip detailed scientific explanations past the mods. But the brief explanation for what is responsible for natural processes is referred to as quantum mechanics. Certain of the quanta, the minimum amount of any physical entity (physical property) involved in an interaction, vibrate at frequencies that are arbitrarily labeled as positive and negative. Oppositely vibrating quanta are massively attracted to each other. Quanta with like vibrations are repelled by each other. This attraction/repulsion process at the level of the quanta (the sub-micro-level) drives everything that occurs at the macro level. Our level. I have been explaining this for years, but some people do wish to hear that which they prefer not to believe.
It would seem we are on the same page but we read it differently. The aggregations of quanta that we call material substance are actually spherical standing wave frequency "traffic jams" that exist at lower energy levels than the underlying quanta (spacetime field or quantum foam). Observing what exists at the higher energy levels of the underlying field is currently problematic for us material "traffic jams."
If we analogize energy levels to speed, we are like stationary spectators watching supersonic spacecraft (quanta) pass us by. They are just a blur of energy. But if we existed at the same energy level, we would be like competing spacecraft traveling at the same speed and we could see each other like two cars traveling at the same speed on a highway.
Having no access to the discoveries of modern science, ancient people simply make up answers to explain those things for which they had no means to understand and then declared those answers to be, well, gospel. "Some people" still subscribe to ancient make believe to this day.
Yes. That is my belief. I have faith in that answer. I will worship that answer. It is gospel.
You are getting pedantic. Brhman exists at the macro level. Every single concept and things you can name, it exists in it. It exists in everything, every single thing, no exception. The way it is expressed and its manifestations are many. The water in the ocean is in many forms, waves and foam. It is all water. Electricity is one energy, manifests in your radio, TV, light bulb.
And Brhman exists in us, every one of us, because we too are names and forms.
Religion is an entirely different matter. Religion too proclaim the same truth. But because the text is expressing what is inexpressible in words that are limited, the texts need interpretation. Mistakes can happen in interpretation.
This is the reason to study the texts carefully and understand clearly.
Proof of Brahman?
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