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Old 10-14-2021, 09:58 PM
 
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thank you for explaining further.

for me, regarding bold above, it logically does not follow:
if something is "growing and living and changing" then it is not permanent.
and if something is "living" then at some point it "dies." so it's not permanent.

my understanding is, that which is permanent causes (or creates or gives rise to or brings into being) that which is impermanent.
source (unchanging, no beginning no end) brings into being or outpictures the impermanent universe (which has a beginning and an end and does change).

Look at "permanent" as - not decaying, not dying, not decomposing. ROP is permanent in sense that it is source to everything that appears and disappears while, it always IS. It is "permanence" of the source to everything vs "impermanence" of that that appears and disappears, composes and decomposes.
ROP was before Big Bang. And will be after this universe will seize its existence. So were countless universes before it and so will be countless after it. But there source stays, same, permanent. Does this help? It is easy to understand, if one has sense of eternity.
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Old 10-14-2021, 10:09 PM
 
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There are many gods in universe. Gods are product of human thinking and are very powerful egregores.

God is not equated to universe. Universe is subproduct of human thinking and development activity in the ROP. Aka, continuous creation.
Without human thinking, "universe", or the physical plane of the physical world, would have been amorphous mass of formless shapeless Matter.

Human thinking, in all its variety, gives designs to universe in all its grandeur.
bold above, yes i agree.
i do not equate god with the universe.
however that view is expressed on a regular basis on the forum. so that is why i referenced that view.

on a topic like this regarding existence, i try to avoid the word god because it obscures clarity, rather than increasing clarity. too many definitions floating around, for there to be common ground in understanding each other in what is being discussed.

thank you for adding comments. i get a lot out of your posts, and the views expressed therein.
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Old 10-14-2021, 10:17 PM
 
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I sort of understand your concept. In general, I'd agree with it. Though, there is no time in either Realms. Concepts of time are not applicable to what is perfect and physical "time" is completely misunderstood.
bold. yes. 100% i agree
time is an artificial construct.
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Old 10-14-2021, 10:20 PM
 
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Look at "permanent" as - not decaying, not dying, not decomposing. ROP is permanent in sense that it is source to everything that appears and disappears while, it always IS. It is "permanence" of the source to everything vs "impermanence" of that that appears and disappears, composes and decomposes.
ROP was before Big Bang. And will be after this universe will seize its existence. So were countless universes before it and so will be countless after it. But there source stays, same, permanent. Does this help? It is easy to understand, if one has sense of eternity.
yes. this makes perfect sense.
Source is one of the clearest words to use.

and bold above yes yes yes
always was and always will be



yes yes yes yes yes

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Old 10-15-2021, 07:05 AM
 
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I know I exist, because I can feel Jesus during expectant waiting and it gives me a sense of comfort, purpose (to love and serve), and permanence.
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Old 10-15-2021, 08:59 AM
 
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I know I exist, because I can feel Jesus during expectant waiting and it gives me a sense of comfort, purpose (to love and serve), and permanence.
Do you feel Jesus as a material object or as a subtle force?
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Old 10-15-2021, 09:28 AM
 
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Do you feel Jesus as a material object or as a subtle force?
Its hard to describe....maybe energy..., which is inside everything.... I can see him in the light shining off nature and I can feel him in me when I am deep in thought and achieve the right moment... I think there is a part of the divine with inside everything.
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Old 10-15-2021, 10:17 AM
 
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Its hard to describe....maybe energy..., which is inside everything.... I can see him in the light shining off nature and I can feel him in me when I am deep in thought and achieve the right moment... I think there is a part of the divine with inside everything.
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Old 10-15-2021, 11:24 AM
 
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Its hard to describe....maybe energy..., which is inside everything.... I can see him in the light shining off nature and I can feel him in me when I am deep in thought and achieve the right moment... I think there is a part of the divine with inside everything.
Absolutely
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Old 10-15-2021, 01:54 PM
 
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Its hard to describe....maybe energy..., which is inside everything.... I can see him in the light shining off nature and I can feel him in me when I am deep in thought and achieve the right moment... I think there is a part of the divine with inside everything.
When you feel Jesus as non material within you that is one part of mediation.
When you sense Jesus in material objects, such a ray of light, that is the other half of meditation.
I am just learning to mediate myself. Your post reminded me of what I am learning.
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