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Old 11-18-2021, 01:12 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Presumably you are implying that Catholics are "required to believe in what isn't true"? Of course, I don't see it that way.
Didn't you say on some other thread that once you converted to Catholicism you were required to believe what it teaches?
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Old 11-18-2021, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Didn't you say on some other thread that once you converted to Catholicism you were required to believe what it teaches?
Yes.
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Old 11-18-2021, 01:22 PM
 
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I guess we would have to come to a better understanding of what is meant by "independent thinking".

For starters, I would not call it "independent thinking" to mindlessly assent to whatever one is taught in 6th grade science class.
Who said anything about mindlessly assenting ? Every subject taught in school is available for exploration as deep as any student wishes to go.

I was merely pointing out your issue with elementary school science
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Old 11-18-2021, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Who said anything about mindlessly assenting ? Every subject taught in school is available for exploration as deep as any student wishes to go.

I was merely pointing out your issue with elementary school science
You did, if you are implying that whatever is taught in elementary school science is a dogma that may not be questioned.

If whatever is taught in elementary school science is fair game for being questioned, then why do you bring it up as though it were somehow dogmatic?
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Old 11-18-2021, 01:37 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Yes.
Even if what it teaches is wrong?
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Old 11-18-2021, 01:39 PM
 
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Who said anything about mindlessly assenting ? Every subject taught in school is available for exploration as deep as any student wishes to go.
I was merely pointing out your issue with elementary school science
We have sufficient evidence that Mike believes he must mindlessly assent to whatever dogma is issued by the Catholic Church under threat of his immortal soul. There hardly seems any point to further exploring why he seems willing to do so. The Catholic church is his representative of God on earth, period.
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Old 11-18-2021, 01:42 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Yes.
So you're saying that you don't know whether or not the earth revolves around the sun and you won't accept the scientific evidence that it does?

By the way, the Copernican model which you mentioned in post 160 is not the view of modern science. While that model was correct that the earth revolves around the sun it was incorrect about other things such as the idea that the sun and stars don't move. Everything in the universe is in motion.
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:08 PM
 
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You did, if you are implying that whatever is taught in elementary school science is a dogma that may not be questioned.

If whatever is taught in elementary school science is fair game for being questioned, then why do you bring it up as though it were somehow dogmatic?
You will need to provide a quote of my post saying that . Please do so. What I said was that you seemed to have trouble assenting to basic science concepts that a 6th grader understands .

If you are choosing to question the veracity of the scientific model of the solar system , then please do so , and point out where it fails . But I never said anything about mindlessly assenting to science . You are moving into the area of making stuff up to defend your failing line of discussion.
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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I guess we would have to come to a better understanding of what is meant by "independent thinking".

For starters, I would not call it "independent thinking" to mindlessly assent to whatever one is taught in 6th grade science class.
Science is constantly being refined, sometimes superceded as better and more accurate technology is built.
We've come a LONG way in the last 30 years, even in the last decade.
There have been a lot advancements since I was in 6th grade. I've learned the vast majority of what I know about science long since leaving school. To tell you the truth, I've been in America for 10 years and it's been a great disappointment to me how little access Americans seem to have to groundbreaking and up to date science. It's not something that seems to be celebrated here. This was a big surprise to me given the space race in the 50's, 60's and 70's.
I wonder how many people even know for example that the US started building a bigger and better particle accelerator that would have discovered the Higgs field in advance of the LRC, but the entire project got shut down?
I don't think you have much to worry about Mike.
Fortunately though, there ARE a lot of great minds out there that continue to advance our understanding, regadless.
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Who said anything about mindlessly assenting ? Every subject taught in school is available for exploration as deep as any student wishes to go.

I was merely pointing out your issue with elementary school science
Not only that, but that was elementary school science when I was in school back in the 1950s.
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