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They made not a just estimate of Allah such as is due to Him.
And on the Day of Resurrection the whole of the earth will be grasped by His Hand
and the heavens will be rolled up in His Right Hand
Glorified be He, and High be He above all that they associate as partners with Him! The Holy Quran
Sure, gut how do you handle the cookies when many say ALL is god, the entire universe including the cookies? Or do you believe something different?
i agree with Kathryn. everything that exists is continent on God.
but God is not contingent on anything existing.
God exists whether anything else does. it is not the sum of everything. it is the Source of everything.
big difference
when all the universes and multiverses and everything in them cease to exist, the Source from which they came still exists.
i can bake lots of cookies. but when the cookies are gone, i still exist. just like i existed before any cookies were baked. cookies are contingent on me. but i am not contingent on cookies. that's the difference.
i agree with Kathryn. everything that exists is continent on God.
but God is not contingent on anything existing.
God exists whether anything else does. it is not the sum of everything. it is the Source of everything.
big difference
when all the universes and multiverses and everything in them cease to exist, the Source from which they came still exists.
i can bake lots of cookies. but when the cookies are gone, i still exist. just like i existed before any cookies were baked. cookies are contingent on me. but i am not contingent on cookies. that's the difference.
I can't rep you again so soon, but I can go for this!
i agree with Kathryn. everything that exists is continent on God.
but God is not contingent on anything existing.
God exists whether anything else does. it is not the sum of everything. it is the Source of everything.
big difference
when all the universes and multiverses and everything in them cease to exist, the Source from which they came still exists.
i can bake lots of cookies. but when the cookies are gone, i still exist. just like i existed before any cookies were baked. cookies are contingent on me. but i am not contingent on cookies. that's the difference.
So in your view, unlike many other religious posters here, The universe and God are not synonymous?
a universe has a beginning and has an end. every universe does.
anything that has a beginning has an end.
The Source of the universe does not have a beginning and does not have an end.
always was and always will be. that is not an attribute of the universe.
I'll the same question I ask you countless times that you almost always never answer: How do you know that?
Well, according to many of the Near Death Experience reports, God is a giant ball of loving light.
I've never been into theism, but there have been so many reports at this point, by people who went to "the other side" and back, and lived to tell the tale, all (of those who got through "the tunnel"--not everyone did) describing a Light with extraordinary qualities, that .... well, let's just say they've got my attention. I'm re-thinking my non-theistic position.
And no, in case anyone's wondering, I don't need a Book to help me rethink my position.
Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 11-15-2021 at 07:59 AM..
a universe has a beginning and has an end. every universe does.
anything that has a beginning has an end.
The Source of the universe does not have a beginning and does not have an end.
always was always will be. that is not an attribute of the universe.
I don't think that's what the cosmologists say. I think the current research points to a universe that's serially and infinitely expanding and contracting. IOW, before the Big Bang, there were cycles of expansion and contraction, and there will be others, eons after our time.
Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 11-15-2021 at 07:57 AM..
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