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No, I don't see the issue. Other than you continuing to conflate and/or misapply terms.
Ditto. I clarified that by the time something gets labeled a theory in scientific parlance, it has been supported by an overwhelming body of knowledge following multiple lines of evidence, and comes as close to established fact as we can generally get. Other examples include the "theories" that the earth and other planets revolve around the sun, that gravity keeps humans and rocks from floating off into space, that the earth's surface has undergone considerable remodeling over millions of years, that living things are made of cells, and that germs cause disease. If you want to argue that evolution is "just a theory" (and therefore pure speculation), you might as well argue that the sun orbits the moon, that you are held to the ground by stickum on your shoes, or that my headcold was caused by alien ray guns.
Whether you want to call those conclusions Scientific Theory or Fact, the point is we know how these things work, with an extremely high degree of confidence. They are not hunches, educated (or uneducated) guesses, or speculation. And that applies to evolution perhaps more than any other "theory."
Why are they different? Apparently I missed that HUMAN evolution is the important qualifier? Sorry, but any comments about evolution in general apply equally to human evolution, which followed (and continues to follow) the same processes and pressures as the evolutionary pathways for other living things.
I said credible scientists, and that their broad agreement was to the fundamental theory of evolution. The Discovery Institute is best known for pseudoscience, and is a long ways from "credible."
So you can't put it in a simple YES or NO answer.
Are you saying that the theory of human evolution is not a theory, it's a 100% fact?
This is very tiresome. Scientific theories are comprised of multiple100% FACTS. Theories are more solid than mere facts! In the case of evolution, there are multiple facts across multiple disciplines over decades and longer. It is not a single fact. It is more certain than that. It has no impact on the existence of God.
Are you saying that the theory of human evaluation is not a theory, it's a 100% fact?
It doesn't matter.
We could have another entire thread now about debating the definitions of theories and facts. It's really missing the point and focusing on the wrong thing. Don't get hung up on the definitions.
Evolution is as clear as the nose on your face.
I recommend a visit to the Natural History museum in DC.
It's really fantastic.
I challenge anyone to visit and see it all laid out clear as day and walk out not accepting how blatanty obvious evolution is.
This is very tiresome. Scientific theories are comprised of multiple100% FACTS. Theories are more solid than mere facts! In the case of evolution, there are multiple facts across multiple disciplines over decades and longer. It is not a single fact. It is more certain than that. It has no impact on the existence of God.
Thank you, Mystic. This is, indeed, very tiresome. I was just debating whether to even bother responding, and now I won't (bother).
In any event, GoCardinals appears to have little interest in the underlying issue (our state of knowledge about human evolution)... which he raised in the first place, as a presumably flimsy/unsupported hypothesis being used to brainwash our children. I agree it has little/no impact on the existence of God... other than perhaps what she did (or did not do) with her time and talents, if she does exist.
With that, happy to see this thread return to the question at hand.
[ETA: Thanks also to Cruithne, for pointing back to the real issue... and to the noses on our faces, which evolved over time! ]
Last edited by HeelaMonster; 12-07-2021 at 03:58 PM..
It doesn't matter.
We could have another entire thread now about debating the definitions of theories and facts. It's really missing the point and focusing on the wrong thing. Don't get hung up on the definitions. Evolution is as clear as the nose on your face.
I recommend a visit to the Natural History museum in DC.
It's really fantastic.
I challenge anyone to visit and see it all laid out clear as day and walk out not accepting how blatanty obvious evolution is.
again, basic evolution vs human evolution. Two different subjects.
All you need to say is, Human evolution is a scientific fact, if you thing you are not hung between the definition of theory and fact.
I personally don't have any intention to influence anyone's beliefs.
There is a group who supports the scientific community that believes in the theory of human evolution, and there is a group who supports the scientific community that does not believe in the theory of human evolution. (Heck, two highly trained and well qualified physicians may not agree to treat one same patient, the same way. Isn't this a common trait among the scientific communities?)
Both groups have free choice to believe whatever they want to support and believe, and I don't have an issue with it.
Thank you, Mystic. This is, indeed, very tiresome. I was just debating whether to even bother responding, and now I won't (bother).
In any event, GoCardinals appears to have little interest in the underlying issue (our state of knowledge about human evolution)... which he raised in the first place, as a presumably flimsy/unsupported hypothesis being used to brainwash our children. I agree it has little/no impact on the existence of God... other than perhaps what she did (or did not do) with her time and talents, if she does exist.
With that, happy to see this thread return to the question at hand.
[ETA: Thanks also to Cruithne, for pointing back to the real issue... and to the noses on our faces, which evolved over time! ]
Heela BTW your post explaining theory earlier was excellent. I was going to comment on it before the thread moved on.
I just wanted to highlight that whether it's referred to as a theory or fact, it's clearly proven.
again, basic evolution vs human evolution. Two different subjects.
All you need to say is, Human evolution is a scientific fact, if you thing you are not hung between the definition of theory and fact.
I personally don't have any intention to influence anyone's beliefs.
There is a group who supports the scientific community that believes in the theory of human evolution, and there is a group who supports the scientific community that does not believe in the theory of human evolution. (Heck, two highly trained and well qualified physicians may not agree to treat one same patient, the same way. Isn't this a common trait among the scientific communities?)
Both groups have free choice to believe whatever they want to support and believe, and I don't have an issue with it.
Lets put an end to this argument right here.
There is no such thing as a separate theory of human evolution. There is THE Theory of Evolution that applies to all life, period. Get an education.
Many say God exist; many say He doesn’t. Voltaire, a French philosopher, argued: “If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him”. That is a powerful thought, except for one thing, if God did not exist, neither would man; for, God, it is said, created mankind. So there was no possible way for man to invent God. But, the point in Voltaire’s argument is that the fear of God, rather than His existence, promotes a safer society everywhere. And when one looks at this marvelous world with everything it is made of to enhance and sustain life for all living creatures, which couldn’t possibly come into existence by accident, anyone gifted with a bit of reasoning, just can’t help concluding that a Supernatural Being, none other than a God, is responsible for all this. That, by itself, should be enough evidence for someone to at least believe that a God exists even though they wouldn’t honor Him. But regardless, many say God doesn’t exist. Would it be because such individuals are excessively sapient or excessively mindless? In either case, it would be wiser to not criticize their belief before one would get to know the motive and motivation behind their concept.
. The thing is, if God exists for you, it doesn’t matter if someone says He doesn’t exist. And if He doesn’t exist for you, it doesn’t matter if someone says He exists. For, God Himself couldn’t care less whether or not one believes He exists. For, although one may think God doesn’t exist, He knows they exist and His proof is that He created them. He doesn’t have to prove Himself to anyone by making them see Him physically so that they may believe in him. If one believes a spiritual world exists, one may as well believe that God exists. Just because a child doesn’t know his father doesn’t mean the father doesn’t exist. For, Jesus said unto Thomas. “… because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
But wait, if one says God doesn’t exist, what’s the need to tell them what Jesus, His son, said?
To those who may say God doesn’t exist because they can’t see Him, I understand, but I would invite them to understand that God is a Spirit and He is invisible. And if they were to see God in His splendor, they would drop dead, for the human eyes can’t see God’s face. Moses also was itched by the desire to see God. And although God warned him, and after he persisted, God let him see Him from the back as he took shelter in a cave (Exodus24:9-11).
To those who may say God doesn’t exist because He doesn’t answer their prayers, I would invite them to understand that it is only through their faith God will answer their prayers; for God is not moved by tears or by vain words, but by faith only.
Indeed, God doesn’t exist where He is not invited to exist; and He exists where He is invited to exist. The point is if God doesn’t live in someone, He doesn’t exist for that person. And if God lives in someone, He exists for that person. However, many say God doesn’t exist either because they have an easy life filled with pleasure, enjoyments and privileges, or because they are having a bitter life filled with pain, suffering, and misfortunes which leaves them no moment to think otherwise. Whatever may be the case, If not while one is still alive, but when one is dead, one will come to know for sure whether or not God exists. For, He is there alive and visible in the world of Spirits.
So, if one says God doesn’t exist, I agree. And if one says God exists, I agree. I have my reasons
The bolded, I complely agree with. The rest of it, not so much.
again, basic evolution vs human evolution. Two different subjects.
All you need to say is, Human evolution is a scientific fact, if you thing you are not hung between the definition of theory and fact.
I personally don't have any intention to influence anyone's beliefs.
There is a group who supports the scientific community that believes in the theory of human evolution, and there is a group who supports the scientific community that does not believe in the theory of human evolution. (Heck, two highly trained and well qualified physicians may not agree to treat one same patient, the same way. Isn't this a common trait among the scientific communities?)
Both groups have free choice to believe whatever they want to support and believe, and I don't have an issue with it.
Lets put an end to this argument right here.
So why do you keep posting?
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Thank you, Mystic. This is, indeed, very tiresome. I was just debating whether to even bother responding, and now I won't (bother). 
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