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The problem is that there are always exceptions to the rule...including your rule here that -- simply put -- people in a minority (whether religious or otherwise) just need to suck it up because that's their fate. All those christians back in the time of Rome being in power...all the torture, the crucifixions, and the Coliseum...those christians just needed to suck it up. That's your principle.
Today, in the world there is persecution of christians in Burma, China, Eritrea, India, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Vietnam, and to a lesser extent in Afghanistan, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, the Central African Republic, Cuba, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Sudan, and Turkey. According to you, that's just tough, they need to suck it up. That's your principle.
That kind of thinking, to just suck it up if you're in a minority, is what led to slavery, Jim Crow, persecution of Mormons, and yes, in some places the persecution of christians. And if that's what your religious belief rests on...then your religious belief is shameful.
Jim Crow was a Democrat (your affiliation, I'd bet) thing...due to bias toward "others different from you", instead of being acceptable toward them.
The reason those Christians are being persecuted is because they are being viewed as you view them.
The ones that need to "suck it up" is the ones that have a negative attitude toward Christianity. Like you.
Anybody with a negative attitude toward anyone needs to "suck it up", and be cool. That solves just about everything.
Quit busting on others because they believe in a way you don't.
Sorry. Human thinking believes this to be true, BUT when we enter the quantum realm, this is no longer "established." In fact, it is disestablished.
The quantum realm itself as it is currently understood is inherently messy. There is no true understanding of things at that scale, which can be thought of better as a set of mathematical probabilities rather than actualities. These probabilities do not exactly lend themselves well to the idea of a definite cause and effect interaction between events either. -- source
In fact, the quantum realm is likely the environment in which the "beginning" happened.
Oh dear, Rambling Rose, your usual argument ad populum is like saying all other football teams outnumber yours. Atheism comes third, just after Hinduism, with Pantheism not even making it to the stadium.
The "God Exists" concept has "taken on all challengers" for thousands of years and has failed each and every time. They are even fighting among themselves about who's imaginary friend has the biggest biceps.
Your usual argument ad populum fallacy also ignores what you quoted. So once again Rambling Rose, we have met the burden of proof. It is up to those arguing for a god to provide the extra evidence for their claims. Not the usual bogus arguments against atheism / naturalism, actual evidence for a god.
Arguments for atheism ------------I---- Arguments for a god
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Arguments against atheism -------I---- Arguments against a god.
"God Exists" (Theism) is The Standard...8 to 9 out of 10 for thousands of years.
Anything else will have to prove itself against that Standard.
Until then....Theism will remain The Standard.
That is The Way of the World.
Jim Crow was a Democrat (your affiliation, I'd bet) thing...due to bias toward "others different from you", instead of being acceptable toward them.
The reason those Christians are being persecuted is because they are being viewed as you view them.
The ones that need to "suck it up" is the ones that have a negative attitude toward Christianity. Like you.
Anybody with a negative attitude toward anyone needs to "suck it up", and be cool. That solves just about everything.
Quit busting on others because they believe in a way you don't.
It's YOU that doesn't get it...that's why you put up 10 posts per day, for a dozen years (39,000 total posts)...most of them critical and biased against those that are different from you in their beliefs.
The only thing I don't find acceptable is nonacceptance. And you criticize me for telling those expressing a nonaccepting position to "suck it up".
You seek to disseminate and perpetuate the attitude of nonacceptance toward those that believe differently than you.
Y'all even catch a attitude, and often express it, toward those that say they will pray for you! The epitome of bias.
It's YOU that doesn't get it...that's why you put up 10 posts per day, for a dozen years (39,000 total posts)...most of them critical and biased against those that are different from you in their beliefs.
The only thing I don't find acceptable is nonacceptance. And you criticize me for telling those expressing a nonaccepting position to "suck it up".
You seek to disseminate and perpetuate the attitude of nonacceptance toward those that believe differently than you.
Y'all even catch a attitude, and often express it, toward those that say they will pray for you! The epitome of bias.
Not true.
I have never suggested anyone become a Buddhist.
It's a personal path.
I don't suggest that people stop being christian, either.
You just like to twist people's views to promote your own bankrupt beliefs.
Ok then let's coalesce the whole of the attributes given by that link that you accept:
1. the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being
2. a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people
3. a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired
4a. God : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped (as in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism) as creator and ruler of the universe<Not the Universe>
4b. God : the supreme or ultimate reality: the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
5. God : a being or object that is worshipped as having more than natural attributes and powers
specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
6. a person or thing of supreme value
7. a powerful ruler
No, none of them. No Being, nor spirit, nor man, nor ruler, nor eternal spirit, nor infinite mind, nor having more than natural attribute or powers controlling reality, nor a person or thing of supreme value, nor a powerful ruler. None of these things are synonymous with the observable universe. They are MORE than the observable universe. Therefore all of these things comport to the LOW END of the Probability Scale to be something that objectively exists
And SINCE NOT it can be reasonably determined that a God Entity, as defined, likely does not exist, nor is synonymous with the universe.
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You are being disingenuous and deceptive. It is not necessary for God to fit ALL those definitions, just ONE or more that can be objectively determined. The universe is the supreme source of all Existence, Life, and Consciousness. That is more than enough to qualify it as God.
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Are you ACTUALLY denying the bold is true????
YES, I am saying calling the universe "the supreme source of all Existence, Life, and Consciousness." is NOT enough to also call it GOD.
Because every one of the definitions Gldn said he accepted, included that ultimate reality to ALSO include defining as a Being or Spririt or conscious itself, and since there is NO reasonable evidence to prove that is the case, the unverse therefore CAN NOT be proven to be equivalent with the commonly held connotation/descriptions of the word GOD. Which is always listed as a conscious being, or spirit, or person, something that can be shown to be more than the qualities we can observe and prove about the universe.
Are you pretending that everyone can see the universe is a being? or a spirit? or conscious? I know you believe it to be But outside of your anecdotal claim, there is no evidence that is the case and therefore fails the God description.
If you are going to call me a liar, then provide the proof the universe is a being or spirit, or conscious, until then it is you that is being ridiculous.
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Are you ACTUALLY denying the bold is true????
