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Not quite, . The "bunch of stuff" is just how WE perceive what exists. But the bulk of what is there cannot be perceived by us at the macro level. It exists at the level of quanta which is beyond our energy level. Divinity exists at a higher energy level than our physical energy level. Analogously, our level of existence is in a "spiritual womb" within Divinity. We have no more ability to know what is outside the womb than a physical fetus would if it were aware.
Pretending that the higher energy level of existence is somehow supernatural and distinct from what we can perceive at our level is not rational. Of course, we can't perceive it. We vibrate at the low-frequency levels of energy and cannot possibly perceive what is at the higher frequencies as anything but blurs of energy no matter how many atoms we smash!
again everything you discuss is entirely limited to a materialist view and a biological model. and anything else you dismiss as "can not be perceived by us" "beyond our level" "no ability to know" "can not possibly perceive" "pretending" "not rational"
that describes yourself and your own level of understanding.
it does not apply to others however. there is no grand sweeping "us" when it comes to what people perceive, grasp, and understand. you can only speak to, for, and about yourself.
Not quite, Tzaph. The "bunch of stuff" is just how WE perceive what exists. But the bulk of what is there cannot be perceived by us at the macro level. It exists at the level of quanta which is beyond our energy level. Divinity exists at a higher energy level than our physical energy level. Analogously, our level of existence is in a "spiritual womb" within Divinity. We have no more ability to know what is outside the womb than a physical fetus would if it were aware.
Pretending that the higher energy level of existence is somehow supernatural and distinct from what we can perceive at our level is not rational. Of course, we can't perceive it. We vibrate at the low-frequency levels of energy and cannot possibly perceive what is at the higher frequencies as anything but blurs of energy no matter how many atoms we smash!
The rishis assert we vibrate at the same frequency as Brhman. It is when our mind is pure, clear, and calm that we are at the same wavelength. That is all that we need to do to be in Oneness.
Not quite, Tzaph. The "bunch of stuff" is just how WE perceive what exists. But the bulk of what is there cannot be perceived by us at the macro level. It exists at the level of quanta which is beyond our energy level. Divinity exists at a higher energy level than our physical energy level. Analogously, our level of existence is in a "spiritual womb" within Divinity. We have no more ability to know what is outside the womb than a physical fetus would if it were aware.
Pretending that the higher energy level of existence is somehow supernatural and distinct from what we can perceive at our level is not rational. Of course, we can't perceive it. We vibrate at the low-frequency levels of energy and cannot possibly perceive what is at the higher frequencies as anything but blurs of energy no matter how many atoms we smash!
You're looking in the wrong places (material word) and with the wrong instruments (sense organs and that includes the inner instrument, i.e brain).
We can perceive It because we are It, just not the way most think of perception. The eye does not need to see itself to know it exists. Its existence is established by the very fact it sees.
I also find your dismissal of the Rishis because they didn't adhere to modern science interesting. How could they? And what about when current science is dismissed as quaint in a hundred or thousand years? Where does that leave your current understanding and philosophy? Building spiritual understanding on the shifting sands of science is a fool's errand.
You're looking in the wrong places (material word) and with the wrong instruments (sense organs and that includes the inner instrument, i.e brain).
We can perceive It because we are It, just not the way most think of perception. The eye does not need to see itself to know it exists. Its existence is established by the very fact it sees.
I also find your dismissal of the Rishis because they didn't adhere to modern science interesting. How could they? And what about when current science is dismissed as quaint in a hundred or thousand years? Where does that leave your current understanding and philosophy? Building spiritual understanding on the shifting sands of science is a fool's errand.
Excellent point. Scientific theories are just that, theories. Many sit in libraries unproven, untested, never published, abandoned.
Science is not separate from Divinity. All knowledge is Divinity, Divinity is in all knowledge. That is the reason knowledge is discovered, understood, and known. What we don’t yet know is infinite.
Excellent point. Scientific theories are just that, theories. Many sit in libraries unproven, untested, never published, abandoned.
Science is not separate from Divinity. All knowledge is Divinity, Divinity is in all knowledge. That is the reason knowledge is discovered, understood, and known. What we don’t yet know is infinite.
There was a point in time I was quite enamored with quantum explanations, especially for consciousness (see Orch-OR - Penrose & Hameroff). That is until I experienced what Rupert Spira calls Lucid Waking and for several months. This is the knowing I can speak to directly.
Excellent point. Scientific theories are just that, theories. Many sit in libraries unproven, untested, never published, abandoned.
Science is not separate from Divinity. All knowledge is Divinity, Divinity is in all knowledge. That is the reason knowledge is discovered, understood, and known. What we don’t yet know is infinite.
You couldn't be more wrong. "Scientific theories" are not just theories, and they do not sit in libraries untested and abandoned. A "scientific theory" is a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation. A "scientific theory" is a well-tested, broad explanation of a natural phenomenon. You said things like unproven and untested when the truth is that a "scientific theory" is repeatedly confirmed and well tested. A hypothesis is no elevated to the status of a "scientific theory" until it has been thoroughly tested and challenged.
You couldn't be more wrong. "Scientific theories" are not just theories, and they do not sit in libraries untested and abandoned. A "scientific theory" is a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation. A "scientific theory" is a well-tested, broad explanation of a natural phenomenon. You said things like unproven and untested when the truth is that a "scientific theory" is repeatedly confirmed and well tested. A hypothesis is no elevated to the status of a "scientific theory" until it has been thoroughly tested and challenged.
Not every theory that has been formulated come to fruition or get published for several good reasons. Ask a real scientist.
We can take this to a different thread if you like, may be to the Science forum. I would rather not derail the thread topic.
Excellent point. Scientific theories are just that, theories. Many sit in libraries unproven, untested, never published, abandoned.
Science is not separate from Divinity. All knowledge is Divinity, Divinity is in all knowledge. That is the reason knowledge is discovered, understood, and known. What we don’t yet know is infinite.
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Originally Posted by mensaguy
You couldn't be more wrong. "Scientific theories" are not just theories, and they do not sit in libraries untested and abandoned. A "scientific theory" is a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation. A "scientific theory" is a well-tested, broad explanation of a natural phenomenon. You said things like unproven and untested when the truth is that a "scientific theory" is repeatedly confirmed and well tested. A hypothesis is no elevated to the status of a "scientific theory" until it has been thoroughly tested and challenged.
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Originally Posted by cb2008
Not every theory that has been formulated come to fruition or get published for several good reasons. Ask a real scientist.
We can take this to a different thread if you like, may be to the Science forum. I would rather not derail the thread topic.
Moving goal posts again. You said "scientific theory." That's what I corrected you on. Your reply of "theory" is a complete change of topic. A "theory" and a "scientific theory" are two completely different things.
Moving goal posts again. You said "scientific theory." That's what I corrected you on. Your reply of "theory" is a complete change of topic. A "theory" and a "scientific theory" are two completely different things.
It is really best you take this to a different thread. When the context is science a theory is a theory related to science. Your nuances are meaningless
It is really best you take this to a different thread. When the context is science a theory is a theory related to science. Your nuances are meaningless
Well, I can see that you are unwilling to address the fact that you were wrong, got corrected, and then changed the subject. The difference between a "theory" and a "scientific theory" is well documented, and you appear to be ignoring it.
BTW, scientific theories have nothing to do with "Defining God," which is what you started the thread for, and then derailed your own thread by mentioning "scientific theory," which you obviously don't understand.
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