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I’m a Muslimah and just in case you guys don’t know, Islam is strictly a monotheistic religion. We believe in the same God as the Jewish people. The Bible, Torah and Quran all talk about the oness of God. So why do Christians claim that prophet Jesus (pbuh) is God? God has warned us that devil will try to trick us by cleverly trying to misguide us by oness of God. Can anyone please show me which passage in the Bible says that prophet Jesus (pbuh) claims that he is God???
Unless a holy book is very descriptive, with no ambiguity, and can somehow anticipate future moral questions, there will be a need to interpret it. Each scripture interpreter becomes a little mini-god to their flock, defining what is right and wrong, true and false with some leeway where the scriptures are ambiguous or silent.
I see this as a bigger knock on claims of monotheism than criticism of the trinity. And it's not limited to Christianity. Every religion which relies on revelation has this flaw, where the revelation must be interpreted and different interpreters arrive at different conclusions. This muddies the message and weakens claims of one source of truth.
I’m a Muslimah and just in case you guys don’t know, Islam is strictly a monotheistic religion. We believe in the same God as the Jewish people. The Bible, Torah and Quran all talk about the oness of God. So why do Christians claim that prophet Jesus (pbuh) is God? God has warned us that devil will try to trick us by cleverly trying to misguide us by oness of God. Can anyone please show me which passage in the Bible says that prophet Jesus (pbuh) claims that he is God???
This is a fair question. To me, the passage where Jesus most explicitly claims to be God comes from the Gospel of John, chapter 8, verses 48-59.
In order to understand the references Jesus makes here, you have to put yourself in the shoes of His Jewish audience who were intimately familiar with the story of Moses and the burning bush from the Old Testament (Exodus chapter 3).
In the passage in Exodus, Moses comes across a bush that is on fire, but is not being burned up. Then a voice calls out to Moses from the burning bush. The voice claims to be the God of Abraham and proceeds to tell Moses to return to Egypt to rescue the Hebrews from Egyptian slavery. Moses asks how he can convince the Hebrews that he has truly been sent by God, and God responds: "Say this to the people of Israel: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Here's the passage from the Gospel of John. And note at the end, they wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy. The Jews obviously understood that Jesus was making a claim of divinity, or else why would they want to stone him?
The Jews answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?” Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
I’m a Muslimah and just in case you guys don’t know, Islam is strictly a monotheistic religion. We believe in the same God as the Jewish people. The Bible, Torah and Quran all talk about the oness of God. So why do Christians claim that prophet Jesus (pbuh) is God? God has warned us that devil will try to trick us by cleverly trying to misguide us by oness of God. Can anyone please show me which passage in the Bible says that prophet Jesus (pbuh) claims that he is God???
We are monotheistic because we only believe in one God. It's really that simple. There is only one God.
I’m a Muslimah and just in case you guys don’t know, Islam is strictly a monotheistic religion. We believe in the same God as the Jewish people. The Bible, Torah and Quran all talk about the oness of God. So why do Christians claim that prophet Jesus (pbuh) is God? God has warned us that devil will try to trick us by cleverly trying to misguide us by oness of God. Can anyone please show me which passage in the Bible says that prophet Jesus (pbuh) claims that he is God???
You have to first understand the doctrine you are arguing against, not just the straw man argument presented by Islam.
The Jews answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?” Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
To understand you must start from God's first spoken word, first light and that is where the firstborn and heir of all God's creation is revealed. In the first part of what Jesus Christ says it is in perfect alignment with following the instruction God gave the man and woman in the Garden of Eden.
And then when they continue to accuse him citing Abraham and the Prophets, he speaks of Abraham who kept God's word and the gift of seeing past death was imparted to him and Isaac on that mountain, and the Prophets also gave testimony to that, as you can also see in Enoch and Elijah.
And at the Passover the gift of seeing past Death was imparted to all the Israelites that followed God's instruction given through Moses, the covenant of the firstborn. Just as God showed Abraham and Isaac on that mountain, when God swore by himself to fulfill all that he had promised Abraham.
When Jesus Christ says; before Abraham was, I am. He is not someone who comes along lately, just as the seed of the woman who crushes the serpents head is not someone who comes along lately. And scripture makes it clear from the beginning and in many places that it is God who reveals the firstborn. Which is why he said, your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. Just as God shared the beginning of sight with Abraham when God showed him the land and all the life therein (as the sand on the shore and the stars in the sky) in every direction as far as the eye could see. That isn't some passing moment, as it is in relation with the beginning of sight God shared in His first spoken word, first light. And Abraham did rejoice in seeing that day and the Life that is revealed and brought forth from that point forward on earth.
Jesus Christ wasn't claiming to be God, as he referenced God as Father and following His word in loyalty, as he said; If I glorify myself my glory is nothing. It is the satan/serpent who taught self-glorification and the thought of being your own god and being answerable to no one and all in a self-serving manner.
No. We really aren't. It's been settled for 2000 years. It was taught by the apostles.
Yes, ever since Tertullian (remember him and John 20?) made the first clear reference to a trinity almost the same as yours. You have been arguing over it since then, from Origen, through Arian, even Eusebius had to tread carefully.
There is nothing except a later interpolation in to Matthew that is clearly trinitarian.
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