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No where in the Bible does it teach life coming from non-material invisible Beings,but from one invisible (to us) God/Creator.
God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic Power and Strength (energy) to create the visible material realm - Isaiah 40:26
God sent forth His spirit ( Psalm 104:30 ) kind of like a power-plant grid sends out its powerful energy.
So, yes,God's Power and Strength is eternal and has all the properties necessary for life to come into existence.
God, and His spirit that He sends forth is eternal and causes life to come from life (aka God's life)
God breathed the ' breath of life ' into life-less Adam - Genesis 2:7 - in order for formed Adam to come to life.
I did not say anything about what the Bible does or does not teach.
God's life (as an immaterial being) is not the same as biological life. That's an equivocation on the term 'life.' When theist/creationists say that life only comes from life and use this little phrase they do so to undermine a-bio-genesis not realizing this. Thus, your take is a form of a-bio-genesis.
Yes, we may never figure it out (and that is ok too) but as you said, given what we do know, it's the best option- I can't possibly see how biological life was eternal and as you also noted panspermia just pushes the problem back. Thus, it only leaves some form of a-bio-genesis as far as I can tell.
While the details of this process are still unknown,........its possible mechanisms are poorly understood
Basically, scientists do not know, what they are talking about but, they all agree, that it is the way is SHOULD have happened. Just by virtue of corporate consensus. Not the first time, science agrees on things, it does not have clear clue about.
But if this speaks to your heart, then sure, as it was pointed out - fire away. After all, it is only one of the 27 mainstream hypotheses of origin of life, not counting religious ones.
......God's life (as an immaterial being) is not the same as biological life. That's an equivocation on the term 'life.' When theist/creationists say that life only comes from life and use this little phrase they do so to undermine a-bio-genesis not realizing this. Thus, your take is a form of a-bio-genesis.
There has to be energy for biological life. Immaterial/invisible-to-us God supplied that abundant dynamic energy to create life.
God's Power and Strength provided the needed energy for material/visible life to begin.- Isaiah 40:26
I did not say anything about what the Bible does or does not teach.
God's life (as an immaterial being) is not the same as biological life. That's an equivocation on the term 'life.' When theist/creationists say that life only comes from life and use this little phrase they do so to undermine a-bio-genesis not realizing this. Thus, your take is a form of a-bio-genesis.
Oh for Pete's sake. Just go read genesis 2. God formed man from the dust of earth. Here's your abiogenesis, right there. With only one twist - per divine intervention. Can you possibly marry the two together? Abiological materials (dust of earth) and divine power of creation? And carry on with your life and be happy? Where in the bible, or Q'Ran, does it say that life came from life?
03-28-2022, 08:36 PM
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Oh for Pete's sake. Just go read genesis 2. God formed man from the dust of earth. Here's your abiogenesis, right there. With only one twist - per divine intervention. Can you possibly marry the two together? Abiological materials (dust of earth) and divine power of creation? And carry on with your life and be happy? Where in the bible, or Q'Ran, does it say that life came from life?
Exactly, so a-bio-genesis is a fact, at least in its generalized form, not necessarily your specific Genesis 2 understanding.
03-28-2022, 08:37 PM
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There has to be energy for biological life. Immaterial/invisible-to-us God supplied that abundant dynamic energy to create life.
God's Power and Strength provided the needed energy for material/visible life to begin.- Isaiah 40:26
Great, so a-bio-genesis is a fact.
03-28-2022, 08:45 PM
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While the details of this process are still unknown,........its possible mechanisms are poorly understood
Kinda like the mechanisms and process of how an invisible non-material being are understood. But is seems that theists are worse off in this regard - so I would not complain.
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Basically, scientists do not know, what they are talking about but, they all agree, that it is the way is SHOULD have happened. Just by virtue of corporate consensus. Not the first time, science agrees on things, it does not have clear clue about.
Unlike you I suppose! Well please tell us the details - mechanism/process of how a god creates life. Any science for this or just story telling?
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But if this speaks to your heart, then sure, as it was pointed out - fire away. After all, it is only one of the 27 mainstream hypotheses of origin of life, not counting religious ones.
As noted a-bio-genesis is the only reasonable option.
For those who think this is the case, particularly the religious, have you really thought through it? If we think about it the only possible explanation, given our understanding for life, is one that constitutes A-bio-genesis
It is really nonsense to suggest that 'life only comes from life.' This equivocates on the term 'life'! And when pressed the only scientific observable response can be biological life. So how then do so many believe that life comes from non-biological life (super natural life a non-material being) but still don't believe in a-bio-genesis?
If biological life can come from non-biological life why do so many arbitrarily think that it can't come from a-bio-genesis matter/energy but can come from non-material invisible beings? There is no justification for such thinking - no science,no observation, no explanation whatsoever!
And since A-bio-genesis is the only option you can only have 3 concepts to work with (one being a subset of the other):
1) Matter/energy is eternal and has all the properties necessary for life to come into existence,
2a) Something that is non matter/energy is eternal that has all the necessary properties to bring life into existence, and
2b) Something that is non matter/energy is eternal that has all the properties to bring matter/energy into existence which has all the properties to bring life into existence.
It's a-bio-genesis all the way down folks. And if it is not a-bio-genesis then the only way in which the proposition "life comes only from life" can be true is if biological life itself was eternal.
So is everyone ready to believe in a-bio-genesis?
E=mc^2 speaks to me of the fact that energy converts into matter and is therefore not eternal; since matter breaks down through the effect of entropy.
For those who think this is the case, particularly the religious, have you really thought through it? If we think about it the only possible explanation, given our understanding for life, is one that constitutes A-bio-genesis
It is really nonsense to suggest that 'life only comes from life.' This equivocates on the term 'life'! And when pressed the only scientific observable response can be biological life. So how then do so many believe that life comes from non-biological life (super natural life a non-material being) but still don't believe in a-bio-genesis?
If biological life can come from non-biological life why do so many arbitrarily think that it can't come from a-bio-genesis matter/energy but can come from non-material invisible beings? There is no justification for such thinking - no science,no observation, no explanation whatsoever!
And since A-bio-genesis is the only option you can only have 3 concepts to work with (one being a subset of the other):
1) Matter/energy is eternal and has all the properties necessary for life to come into existence,
2a) Something that is non matter/energy is eternal that has all the necessary properties to bring life into existence, and
2b) Something that is non matter/energy is eternal that has all the properties to bring matter/energy into existence which has all the properties to bring life into existence.
It's a-bio-genesis all the way down folks. And if it is not a-bio-genesis then the only way in which the proposition "life comes only from life" can be true is if biological life itself was eternal.
So is everyone ready to believe in a-bio-genesis?
I am certainly of the opinion that life came from life (the eternal Spirit of the living God created us and infused life into us).
03-28-2022, 11:07 PM
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I am certainly of the opinion that life came from life (the eternal Spirit of the living God created us and infused life into us).
Yes, and that would mean you fall under either 2a or 2b. But for now that is a-bio-genesis. As to what one (1, 2a, or 2b) is more likely given what we know is another question and the next step. But until then everyone should stop fighting against a-bio-genesis generally speaking.
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